As we all focus on staying well during this pandemic we thought it a good time to talk about a few health related issues and how they impact our lifestyle journey.

“Mr Night” is a certified Family Nurse Practitioner of 20 years and is also a certified Bio-identical Hormone Replacement Specialist. He and his wife “Mrs Night” are also in the lifestyle and join us to discuss how diet, exercise, hormones and supplements can be used to proactively manage our health as we age.

Questions for “Mr Night” can be sent to us through our We Gotta Thing website.


Hormone therapy for women in general:
https://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/committee-opinion/articles/2012/08/compounded-bioidentical-menopausal-hormone-therapy (this may look like an old statement, but was reexamined and reaffirmed in 2016)
Thyroid disease
Testosterone FAQ
In more detail: https://www.endocrine.org/clinical-practice-guidelines/testosterone-therapy
https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/104/10/4660/5556103 (most recent guidelines)

To learn more about hormone replacement and how to find a reputable provider visit worldlinkmedical.com[/vc_column_text][/vc_column][/vc_row][vc_row][vc_column][vc_tta_accordion][vc_tta_section title=”Episode Transcript” tab_id=”1588087314095-2959b60e-3b22″][vc_column_text]Mr. Jones 0:01 This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only. 

Mrs. Jones 0:06 Hey, you teenagers out there, if you’re under 18 this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework. 

Mr. Jones 0:17 We are a longtime married couple who’s decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle. 

Mrs. Jones 0:27 Care to join us? [Music] 

Mr. Jones 0:46 Hello, everyone, I’m Mr. Jones. 

Mrs. Jones 0:48 And I’m Mrs. Jones and we want to welcome you to Episode 74 of the We Gotta Thing podcast. 

Mr. Jones 0:53 Yeah, so we are in the midst of our Coronavirus pandemic. 

Mrs. Jones 0:59 Stay at home orders. 

Mr. Jones 1:01 Quarantine. 

Mrs. Jones 1:01 Yeah. 

Mr. Jones 1:02 Stand down. Social distancing. We have decided to do a couple of episodes on – related to health. 

Mrs. Jones 1:11 Yeah, I mean – got nothing else to do. 

Mr. Jones 1:13 I know. What else can we talk about? 

Mrs. Jones 1:15 I know. So we hope all of you out there are doing well. I’m sure there’s a lot of cabin fever going on. And I really hope you guys are okay. If you’ve gotten sick, I hope you’re recovering okay. And if you haven’t gotten sick yet, I – you know, I hope you’re taking things seriously and staying at home and… 

Mr. Jones 1:38 Making good decisions. 

Mrs. Jones 1:39 …using lots of Lysol wipes, Clorox wipes, whatever. Masks are the new sexy I guess, because they keep you healthy. 

Mr. Jones 1:50 Yeah. So before we – before we talk about all that nonsense, we – It’s been a long time coming. We’ve wanted to do episodes on hormones, menopause. STIs, erectile dysfunction for quite some time. 

Mrs. Jones 2:07 Yeah, I mean, one of the most common emails we get are about STIs and people want to tell – they want us to give them permission to have sex with other people and tell them that they’re not going to get an STI. And of course, we just can’t do that. So we we’ve been dancing around it for five years. And we’ve been waiting for the perfect person to fall in our laps, that is both a medical professional and also understands the swinging lifestyle. 

Mr. Jones 2:35 And is not on one extreme or the other. 

Mrs. Jones 2:38 Right. Just a nice level head on their shoulders. So tada, we found one. 

Mr. Jones 2:44 So we’re going to do three health related podcast episodes. Tonight we’re going to talk about health, wellness and hormones. 

Mrs. Jones 2:54 Tonight’s episode is really on being proactive regarding your health. 

Mr. Jones 2:58 Yeah, so we’re gonna have – we met a couple who are in the lifestyle, we met them in our community. And he is a medical professional and has the right credentials and has the right, i think, philosophical approach to this – at least the one that we ascribe to ourselves. And we – 

just like a lot of other news and media outlets are doing, we are doing a remote podcast tonight. You’ll notice the audio is a little bit different than our normal because it is a remote interview 

Mrs. Jones 3:33 I think we have a really interesting conversation for you guys to listen to. 

Mr. Jones 3:38 Yeah, so we’re gonna talk about that tonight. And then in two future episodes, we’re going to talk about STIs and erectile dysfunction as well. But back to this whole, wearing a mask and carrying Lysol wipes with you and learning how to shop… 

Mrs. Jones 3:55 And not touch your face and… 

Mr. Jones 3:58 Learning how to stay in the same space together for weeks on end. And you know, we are so used to being empty nesters and we have our daughter and our granddaughter cloistered here with us. And the first couple of weeks it was okay. But now it’s turning into – they really live here. Even though they don’t live here. 

Mrs. Jones 4:22 It kind of feels like it. Yeah, we hit day 22 and all of a sudden I didn’t like anybody in my house. I mean, I barely liked the dog that day. You know, so – and I’m sure everybody feels that way. You know, we’ve got college kids home that don’t want to be home. Oh my goodness. I – just so many – it’s so many realities -like little kids that are supposed to be learning, and I know you all are like trying to do your job at the kitchen table with your kids next to you trying to homeschool and I, you know, this is just a new completely un-anticipated reality for all of us. 

Mr. Jones 5:00 But I think what it’s done for us and for most people that the lifestyle – we define this as social sexy, and we also define this as a hobby. And we also say that it’s something that we don’t necessarily have to do for sex. But we definitely want to do because of the relationships that we’ve built. I mean, the lifestyle has taken a backseat. I mean, only naturally the, you know, the your health and safety and your family and your jobs and your well being and everything else takes a priority right now. 

Mrs. Jones 5:30 Yeah, we’ve actually had quite a few people reach out and say, well, you know, what are you guys really doing? Well, we’re really doing nothing. We go out once a week and do our grocery pickup order. And that’s about as exciting as it is. Although we have done some pretty sexy Zoom meetings. 

Mr. Jones 5:48 

Yeah, we have. So, well, let’s go ahead and talk about that. You know, the one thing, the thing about, you know, where we are as a country with technology. This could be a whole lot worse. 

Mrs. Jones 6:02 I know. I said, if this would have happened even 10 years ago, we would have – it would have been completely different and absolutely horrific. 

Mr. Jones 6:10 I mean, with online learning and with all the tools that are available and with working from home, and the remote technology that we have, where you can VPN, you can connect to any network that you want to. And you can order your – now that grocery stores had already in our area started delivering and they had started doing pickup service. You know, so we are at a place in – gosh, this is probably a transformational, you know, one of those watershed moments where when this is all over, I think it’s gonna push us forward to really leverage the technology that we’ve really had at our disposal but haven’t been using because we just couldn’t get out of the way that we used to do things. 

Mrs. Jones 6:51 Right. I mean, there’s, you know, so many people working from home now and, and when you think about it, I you know, I think the job is still getting done. You know, so it could end up being a really positive thing. A forced learning experience for many of us. 

Mr. Jones 7:08 Yeah. So one of the things that we’ve done over the past – how old is our community now? 

Mrs. Jones 7:12 Two. We just turned two. 

Mr. Jones 7:13 We just turned two years old. So we have this online private community for members only. And it has just exploded recently. And a lot of it is because, if you think about it, we have nothing on our calendars. Right? 

Mrs. Jones 7:27 Right. 

Mr. Jones 7:27 Nothing to do – so we’re using the Zoom platform, and we’re doing weekly, just chatting. 

Mrs. Jones 7:35 Friday night happy hour. 

Mr. Jones 7:36 

Friday night happy hours with our community, and they’re growing by the week, where we’re bringing 50 or 60 or 70 couples in and we’re breaking them into smaller groups of eight couples or so, and introducing themselves to each other and then, you know, throwing out a topic of conversation – what it is, it’s like people have locked themselves in their bedroom. They’ve put their kids away. They’re actually able to converse with other adults. An adult in the lifestyle. And they’re making connections, and even this past week when we did it Friday night, after the official – I’m doing air quotes – official chat was over, a lot of the people had connected. 

Mrs. Jones I woke up the next morning, and there was like in our main members chat, there were still garbage going on at 4:30 AM. Like, holy cow. 

Mr. Jones It wasn’t garbage. 

Mrs. Jones 8:31 Well, no, it was. It was. Yeah, people were like, yeah, just getting ready to turn in. I’m like, good golly, Miss Molly. 

Mr. Jones 8:36 So people are connecting on our chat. And then they’re either doing a follow up Zoom chat, or they’re going back into our community and setting up four-way chats, getting some sexy talk. And so it’s really interesting how the evolution of social media and the lifestyle in our community is really the – everyone has really taken advantage of that. It’s really cool. 

Mrs. Jones 9:04 Well, you know, the ladies in our community had like, set up a theme, like a dress code theme last Friday night, and a lot of ladies had jumped on board with that. And somehow I got like bullied into taking my top off. 

Mr. Jones 9:18 You weren’t bullied. We had several groups. Let me just say group four had it going on. 

Mrs. Jones 9:23 Group four definitely had it going on. And somehow I lost my top during group four. Now, I still had a bra on. I was not naked. The night before, though. I mean, you and I had some fun. We’ve been doing private Zoom chats too with our lifestyle friends, cuz actually, most of our friends don’t live near us. Even if they did, obviously we wouldn’t be able to see them. But it’s been a good opportunity to kind of keep those connections going by doing these Zoom chats and one night like you even scheduled it kind of early. It was like at 9:30. And I was like, Oh, thank goodness, because it was Thursday night. …thank goodness cuz I’m getting tired of staying up, because we’ve been doing a lot of a lot of Zoom stuff at night. So sure enough, we get on the 

Zoom chat at 9:30. And the next thing I know, like, we talked to them for quite a while, and then you and I went and had sex and the next thing I know, it was 1:30 in the morning. 

Mr. Jones 10:09 I know, that’s really what’s been going on for the for the past month. But it’s a lot of fun. I mean, we’re looking forward to – we’re just now starting to try to book airfare for some future months coming up because airfare’s so cheap right now. 

Mrs. Jones 10:33 I actually bought airfare for August. We’re gonna try to sneak down to Mexico in August. And I booked that, I figured surely things will be open by August. 

Mr. Jones 10:43 Well, we have three or four other trips on the docket that we want to start booking too. 

Mrs. Jones 10:47 Oh, I have like – I have like a long a big post it note, and it’s got like, like eight trips on it. And I have them all pending, and I kind of have the dates penciled in but, you know, anything before June and July. I don’t know. 

Mr. Jones 11:01 Right. So since there’s not much else to talk about, we’re going to introduce our new friends. Mr. And Mrs. Night. And Night is short for nightingale. 

Mrs. Jones 11:13 Yes. 

Mr. Jones 11:14 And, but before we do that, we want to kind of set this up. So, you know, we’re, we’re, like we said before, we’re already in the health and safety mindset. And so we wanted to take this opportunity to talk about this. And this is not a prescriptive podcast. In other words, you know, we’re gonna have somebody on who’s professional and credentialled, but this is informational. This is something that we’re not recommending that it’s prescribed to you, but take away everything that we’re going to talk about and everything that he’s going to say… 

Mrs. Jones 11:51 And see how it fits with your health, your life, your lifestyle, your mindset. 

Mr. Jones 11:56 Exactly. And your own way that you want to either see your doctor, your physician or research this. You know, we don’t want anyone to make the mistake of thinking that this is what we are telling you to do. This is just informational and the philosophy here – I mean, our overall philosophy is everything in moderation. I mean, we, I mean, we talk about cocktails and alcohol, 

but really, that’s only on the weekends and we talk about exercising, and we’re proactive in how we exercise, and we’re proactive in how we manage our health. But we’re not like cuckoo about it. I mean, we still go out for pizza. 

Mrs. Jones 12:37 Right. 

Mr. Jones 12:38 You know, we still go out, you know, and eat what we want to eat on the weekends. So this is not something that’s going to be like a regimen that we’re saying that you have to do in order to, you know, live your life in a healthy way. 

Mrs. Jones 12:53 No, but I mean, like it, you know, especially at our age as we have definitely settled into our fifties, you know, we’re starting to realize that, you know, things just aren’t gonna stay the way they were unless we do something about it. 

Mr. Jones 13:10 The other thing I want to mention is that we’re not saying that this is about physical attractiveness or being thin. 

Mrs. Jones 13:18 No. 

Mr. Jones 13:19 This is about having a healthy mindset and proactively managing your health. That’s the kind of people that we’re attracted to, that’s the kind of people that – in the lifestyle – who you want to be around. If somebody is trying to take care of themselves. They’re trying to be proactive, they’re trying to stay active. They, you know, they’re trying to they’re not just physically but mentally and emotionally. You know, that’s what – that’s what makes an attractive person, so it’s not about calories and weight loss. 

Mrs. Jones 13:50 It’s not about the bathroom scale. 

Mr. Jones 13:52 Correct. 

Mrs. Jones 13:52 No, it’s about being healthy, and trying to live, you know, a long and healthy life, and to be able to enjoy yourself as a result of that. 

Mr. Jones 14:02 

Right. Yeah. So when we come back, we hope you enjoy the conversation, and this is going to be about overall health and wellness and exercise and hormones and menopause and all that good stuff. 

Mrs. Jones 14:14 Oh, you make menopause sound so happy. [Laughs} 

Mr. Jones 14:17 We know the true story behind it. 

Mrs. Jones 14:19 Absolutely. So see you in a minute. [Music] 

Welcome back to segment two of our episode tonight on health, wellness, hormones and the lifestyle. 

Mr. Jones 14:39 Yeah, so we’re gonna – right away we’re just gonna turn it over to Mr. And Mrs. Night and have them introduce themselves. 

Mrs. Jones 14:45 Yes, because they have credentials, and we don’t. 

Mr. Jones 14:49 Yeah, we’re just the Joneses. 

Mrs. Jones 14:51 Thank goodness, we found somebody. 

Mr. Night 14:54 Thank you. My name is Mr. Night. I am a certified family nurse practitioner. I have been a nurse practitioner for 20 years. I am sitting here with my beautiful wife, Mrs. Night. About five years ago, I wanted to do something different with my practice. So I went to a special class to learn how to do hormone pellets. That started me thinking and wondering, and I started reading book after book. It really – it lit a new fire for me to learn about something new medically. And I just learned everything I could about hormones. I went to additional classes and became a certified bioidentical hormone replacement specialist. 

Mr. Jones 15:45 That’s a mouthful. 

Mrs. Night 15:48 

I’m Mrs. Night. I’m the sidekick to Mr. Night. I am not a nurse, but I have managed the practice now for ten years and have been working in the medical field for 35 years. 

Mr. Jones 16:02 Okay, so since you introduced yourselves professionally, you are also in fact in the lifestyle. 

Mr. Night 16:09 Yes, correct. 

Mr. Jones 16:10 So why don’t you talk a little bit about how long you’ve been in the lifestyle and kind of where you are with that right now. 

Mr. Night 16:18 We, when we got together, we started going to some nudist resorts to see what it was like. We found very quickly that we liked being outside in the sun naked and spending the afternoon by the pool, having drinks with friends, it’s something that we have enjoyed for over ten years now. Lately, this year, we had some deep discussions, we started listening to the Joneses. We listened to every one of their episodes, and we decided to venture out a little bit and try something new. We talked about it. We agreed upon it. And we did a soft swap, and it turned out to be really cool. And then we moved a little bit further and we’ve gotten into it. And we’ve been into it for about about nine months now that we’ve been playing in the lifestyle, and we are having the time of our lives. 

Mrs. Jones 17:19 That’s awesome. I’m telling y’all, like we have met Mr. and Mrs. Night and if anybody out there has like a medical professional fantasy, this is the couple for you. [Laughs] 

Mr. Jones 17:32 Well, you know, there have been a lot of podcasts that have had medical professionals on to talk about what we’re going to talk about tonight, and you guys are very unique because you’re both professionals. Mr. Night, you’re credentialed. But you’re also in the lifestyle. And so you have the perspective of, you know what it’s like on the inside. You know that sometimes there’s a little bit of the edge of judgment, you know, when you’re seeing professionals that are not in the lifestyle. So we’re, we’ve been waiting. We’ve been wanting to talk about these topics for a while. So we’ve been waiting for you guys to come along and introduce yourselves to us. So when we first met you, we thought you guys would be the perfect fit for something that we’ve wanted to talk about. And now that we’re in the midst of Coronavirus, and everybody’s locked down, and health and safety is at the forefront of our minds. We thought this was the perfect time, you know, to kind of switch gears and talk about health and wellness anyway. So why don’t we start off – we’re going to talk about three things tonight. Primarily we’re going to talk about diets, we’re going to talk about exercise, and then we’re going to talk about hormone replacement. So, Mr. Night, do you just want to start in on diet? 

Mr. Night 18:56 Yes. Now one of the things that I want to say is about the lifestyle. When you’re hanging around the pool and you’re naked, or you’re getting sexy with other couples, you want your body to look good, you want to feel good, and you want everything to work on your body really well. Being in the lifestyle and being next that whole naked is just something that really fires you up to want to exercise more. You see other people and you like the way they look and you want to be like them. And that is the fuel to what I do in healthcare. How do I keep myself healthy? How do I keep myself active? How do I keep myself looking good. And that is what fueled the last five years of my career. Not fighting disease, but preventing disease. Not digging myself out of an unhealthy situation, but staying healthy so that I never have a problem with disease as I get older. I want to be healthy and happy until the day I die. And that’s what I want for all my patients… 

Mr. Jones 20:06 Yeah. So we also want to talk from the perspective of somebody who is maybe not in optimal condition. And, you know, this is not something that you just flip the switch and overnight, you know, you’re looking this way. So, you know, there are some of us who have been exercising and dieting properly for a while, but then there are people who, you know, they find themselves – look as we get older, you don’t just hop out of bed and look great every day. And, you know, there are… mind shifts that we need to make and lifestyle changes that we need to make. And so what we find in the lifestyle is that – and I don’t know, I’m maybe I’m biased, but I see this in men, probably more than women – is guys tend to let themselves go. And you know, then you have the out of balance couples, and then it seems like once you let yourself go, that’s it. It’s just a mental struggle to get to the starting line. And so we want to talk about all of these things tonight. But we also want to talk about how difficult it is and maybe how we can start down this pathway to a more healthy mindset as well. 

Mr. Night 21:18 Right. Right. Well, the first thing that we all need to consider, because every time I talk to anybody about getting healthy, the first thing they want to say is, oh, yeah, I’m going to join a gym. Well, joining a gym is a process. It takes time. You’ve got to make that time to go to the gym. The first thing that people need to emphasize when they want to take care of themselves is diet. The most important thing is what we’re eating, that’s what’s causing our illness, and that’s what’s causing us to be healthy. So the biggest thing that we need to consider is our diet is killing us, but our diet is making us healthy. So we’ve got to change the diet. The first thing, the first thing that I’ll say over and over and over again, is stop eating sugar, whatever you do, if it’s sweet, you need to quit doing it. We all think that it’s okay to have, you know, a soda water, our diet drink or a fruit drink. Or it’s okay to have that bread and it’s okay to have that pasta, because it’s wheat. Now, that is a very simple sugar. And sugar is in just about everything that we eat. So we really need to pay attention to what we’re eating. And we need to consider not eating, we need to consider the practice of fasting. So I start every day – and this is what I teach my patients – I start not eating, I get up in the morning, I have a cup of black coffee and I go to 

work, and I’m fasting until lunchtime. At lunch is my first meal of the day. So when you go to sleep at night, you sleep through the night, get up in the morning, go to work, you’re looking at a 14 to 16 hour fast every day. So your first meal is going to be lunch, your second meal is going to be dinner six hours later. That’s two meals a day. And people are gonna say, well, what about breakfast? It’s the most important meal of the day. And I’m going to say over and over again, that it’s the most important meal of the day to the cereal makers because they make a ton of money. But it’s not needed for our body. Our body is designed to wake up and go hunting and gathering; it’s designed to not eat until it’s time. 

Mrs. Jones 23:45 It’s funny because I’ve started doing that, and I didn’t even really mean to like jump on the intermittent fasting bandwagon. It’s just I’m not hungry in the morning, so I usually eat like breakfast – air quotes – at about 11 or 12. And then I eat dinner. And that seems to work for me. 

Mr. Night 24:09 Yeah, I used to preach to my patients eat five times a day, eat breakfast, lunch and dinner and a mid-morning snack and a mid-afternoon snack. Well, after 15 years of doing that, I realized that I never made anybody better. No one got thinner. No one’s diabetes got better. It was ineffective in a healthcare practice. It’s amazing because I started with the fasting. I said stop eating snacks, start fasting as long as you can every day. If you eat once a day, that’s perfectly fine. And suddenly my diabetic patients – their blood sugars were coming down, their A1Cs were coming down, they were thinning up, they were becoming healthier, because they stopped eating. And modern medical practice doesn’t understand that. People need to stop eating to get healthy, not eat to get healthy. Stop eating – we eat too much. 

Mr. Jones 25:01 So when we do eat, and I have to admit, I’m a breakfast guy. No, I don’t eat cereal, but I’ll have bacon and eggs and maybe a banana. And then for lunch… 

Mrs. Jones 25:14 But you don’t eat toast. So really, you’re not eating any carbs except what the natural sugar… 

Mr. Jones 25:20 Right, and then I’m not hungry again until one o’clock in the afternoon and I’ll have a sandwich. So really, I have a small lunch and then I’ll have a big dinner. But let’s talk about – and the thing about sugar is, you know, especially once we stopped eating sugar, I never craved it anymore, so just like anything else, once you get used to it, matter of fact, when I have sugar now, I don’t like the way that I feel. But what can we eat? Like, what would you recommend? What kind of food are we supposed to be putting in our bodies? 

Mr. Night 25:50 I recommend what I call a real food diet. I got on the keto bandwagon where I was saying no carbs whatsoever. And I never understood that because it’s not healthy. Broccoli is a carb. 

Cauliflower is a carb. There are so many healthy vegetables that are carbohydrates. So why are we avoiding the carbohydrates? So now I don’t say keto diet, I say eat a real food diet, eat meat, eat vegetables, eat eggs, eat cheese. You can fill yourself up with with those foods. Beans and legumes are good. And fruit is fine as long as you don’t eat too much of it. If people are eating nothing but fruit, and I’ve seen parents that will feed their kids nothing but fruit, and you end up with fat little kids. Too much fruit is too much. So eat one fruit a day was the recommendation. Another food that we can have is nuts. I eat a lot of nuts, it’s healthy oils, a lot of omegas in them, it’s very good for you. 

Mrs. Jones 27:07 And they fill you up. I eat a lot of nuts too. And you know, you just eat one handful …and actually it’s a lot of calories, but they’re good calories and I’m full then. So I don’t crave those carbs. 

Mr. Jones 27:18 So I know we talked about sugar, but what about like the grains? What about wheat, rice, oats, corn, potatoes and things like that? 

Mr. Night 27:25 Now, we grew up saying we need a filler on our plate. We would have meat, we would have vegetables in there, and there would be some kind of filler, and usually we would eat rice. We’d have a plate full of rice and gravy. But I’ll tell you, some of the natural foods that I suggest that you don’t eat – it’s going to be the foods that are high in starch, and that’s going to be the grains. The first grain is wheat – so that’s going to be your bread and your pasta – rice, and I don’t care if it’s brown rice because you need to have… I don’t care if it’s whole grain or not, it’s still a very simple sugar – oats, and of course corn. A cup of broccoli has about 32 grams of carbohydrates in it. A cup of corn has 132 grams of carbohydrates. There’s just an awful lot more carbohydrates in corn compared to a non starchy vegetable like broccoli. And then the last one, of course, the one that every plate, everybody has a plate of, and that’s going to be potatoes. That’s a very starchy food. There’s a lot of carbohydrates in it. So, you know every once in a while you can have these, but overall I would say avoid these grains, because you’re going to get an awful lot of carbohydrates in those foods. 

Mr. Jones 28:48 So I want to come clean, because we – I would say that our philosophy is pretty much in line with what you’re suggesting But we’re, we’re kind of like everything in moderation. And we’ll do pretty good Monday through Thursday. And then when it comes to the weekend, all bets are off. And, you know, we find ourselves eating pizza or, you know, going out to a brewery and then going out for dinner. 

Mrs. Jones 29:20 French fries. 

Mr. Jones 29:20 

French fries. So, you know, what is your philosophy on, you know, the stuff that’s supposedly bad for you? Are we not supposed to eat it? …What do you say about that? 

Mr. Night 29:33 I say if you restrict yourself, you’re going to be an unhappy person. 

Mr. Jones 29:38 Okay. 

Mr. Night 29:40 If you don’t, if you don’t allow yourself some joy, then you’re just going to be unpleasant. So you have to give in, you have to have your discipline times and then your fun times. And I compare this to work. I work Monday through Friday, so Monday through Friday my world is very structured. I get up, I go to work, I eat lunch, I go back to work, and I go home. It’s very structured and I can stay disciplined. And I can stay balanced and I can stay away from the things that I need to avoid. On the weekends though, much more lax. By the pool, I’m much more lax. I do pretty much – I have my beers and I enjoy myself. But then when it comes back to Monday morning, I’m getting back into the discipline and I’m getting back into my fasting and I’m getting – I’m doing what I need to do to stay disciplined. 

Mr. Jones 30:43 So, Mrs. Night, are you guys on the same page on all of this? Does one of you struggle more with this than the other, or who keeps who in line here? 

Mrs. Night 30:53 Okay, I’m the struggler and he keeps me in line. He’s much more disciplined than I am. Being a southern girl, I love my rice. So rice was one of the things that was really hard for me to give up. I’m almost 55. I’ve struggled with my weight for the last three or four years. And one of the biggest things he kept telling me when I would say I’m not losing any weight is he would say stop using that coffee creamer. So that was one of the hardest things. I didn’t realize how much sugar was in coffee creamers and I finally quit doing that and switched to the heavy whipping cream. And then I started seeing the difference. 

Mr. Jones 31:31 So I want to ask you, Mr. Night, about two specific things that come up in the lifestyle particularly and when it comes to dieting. Number one is alcohol and number two is calories. What do you have to say about those two things? 

Mr. Night 31:48 On the weekend when you’re doing lifestyle stuff, there are no calories in what you eat or drink. 

Mr. Jones 31:53 Good answer. 

Mr. Night 31:54 It’s completely free. 

Mrs. Jones 31:55 I love you. [Laughter] 

Mr. Jones 31:58 So what about the people that’re all focused on maybe not as much what they put in their bodies, but how many calories they’re putting in their bodies. What’s the difference? 

Mr. Night 32:08 Ah, calories. I’m not a big fan of saying calories at all. If you’re eating once a day, and you’re eating real food, you can eat as much food as you want to. Your body is going to tell you to stop eating. And your body could care less how many calories you’re eating, it cares about the hormonal signals that the food is going to give you. When you eat real meat, you eat nuts and you eat the real food, your body is going to get full and you’re going to stop eating. I’m not a calorie counter. I never have been. Just eat until you feel full and don’t overeat and you’ll be fine. 

Mr. Jones 32:49 So what about like a lifestyle date, like if you’re going to go out on a lifestyle date, what should you not eat? [Laughter] Or is it more of a preference? 

Mr. Night 33:04 That’s a preference. We usually go – I go for steak. I want some steak and some beer. That’s my, that’s my meal. 

Mrs. Night 33:10 And I go for lobster. So… 

Mr. Jones 33:14 So is there anything, before we move to exercise, is there anything else about diet you want it to make sure… 

Mr. Night 33:20 Yes. yeah, there’s one more thing and that’s about what we drink. And the biggest thing – and I will bet that probably the number one reason why people are obese and diabetic in America is not so much the food that we eat, but it’s what we drink. We think it’s okay to drink fruit juice, and we think it’s okay to drink Cokes and Dr. Peppers and Mountain Dews, and people are drinking these things all day long. The sugar drinks are sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. And high fructose corn syrup is not made for our body to process naturally. It’s very hard for our body to process that, and it is the number one reason why we’re developing fatty livers, 

we’re gaining weight, we’re becoming diabetic – it’s going to be your sweet drinks. Now people say okay, but it’s Diet Coke, that’s a diet drink, it’s not a real sugar drink. Your your body cannot tell the difference. Your body tastes that sweetness. And that’s what triggers you to want more and that’s what triggers you to get hungry. No one’s ever cured diabetes by drinking a diet drink. No one’s ever lost weight by drinking a diet drink. Don’t drink your sweetness. 

Mr. Jones 34:38 That’s your philosophy, right? Don’t drink your calories. 

Mrs. Jones 34:40 I don’t drink my calories. Unless it’s alcohol. 

Mr. Night 34:47 That never counts. That never counts. 

Mrs. Jones 34:49 Right. 

Mr. Night 34:51 I changed my calories. I used to say that all the time. Don’t drink your calories. Now I said don’t drink your sweetness, because honestly, it doesn’t matter if it’s sugar or if it’s saccharin, your body thinks of it as sweetness and it triggers the same hormones. 

Mrs. Jones 35:08 That makes a lot of sense. 

Mr. Jones 35:09 So I think what we’re gonna – as we’re talking through this, you know, we’ve talked about our eating habits, and we’re going to talk about our exercise habits, and we’re also going to talk about how we approach using hormone replacement, just so that people get a sense of, of you know, that we’re not just bystanders here, that we are involved actively in this and, you know, now that we’re in our mid to late 50s, one of us mid and the other one late… 

Mrs. Jones 35:38 I’m mid, just in case anybody’s interested. [Laughter] 

Mr. Jones 35:41 I would say that about 10 years ago, I decided – you know, I was always naturally thin. But about 10 years ago, I noticed I was about 20 pounds heavier than I should be. You know, we came back from a cruise and we looked at pictures – I looked at pictures of myself, and I just wasn’t – all of a sudden it just hit me, like, who is that guy? And you know, I don’t want to continue to do this, and so you know, we started exercising and I started running and I had this idea of running a marathon, and so to make a long story short, for the past 10 years I have been physically 

exercising, you know, three or four or five times a week and running marathons and half marathons and you know, just just trying to stay active with some strength training thrown in there, and now we have a Peloton and I’ve been doing some cross training with Peloton, so and Mrs. Jones you’ve… 

Mrs. Jones 36:46 I’ve been doing the same thing. Yeah, running and now we – I like the Peloton to – strength training is super important. I mean, we have grandkids now. I still want to be able to pick them up. Of course they’re getting huge, but, you know, I just don’t want to be that grandma that can’t play with my grandkids, you know, because I’m too old or feeble or whatever. 

Mr. Jones 37:08 Yeah, so we didn’t – we don’t want to really become like prisoners in our own body. You know, I see so many people our age who can’t get down on the floor, they can’t stand back up. They can’t dance. You know… 

Mrs. Jones 37:21 So, we went to Grandparents Day at our grandson’s preschool a couple years ago, and Mr. Jones was truly the only grandpa that could get down on the floor and play Lincoln Logs with our grandson. Like, all the other grandparents could not do it. You know, they had to sit in a chair and just kind of like try to lean over a little bit, and I thought, oh my gosh, I just don’t want to ever get to that place. 

Mr. Jones 37:47 And let’s face it, when you get into the lifestyle, aerobic capacity is really important. [Laughter] Cardiovascular health is really important. So, this is something that we’ve embraced even before we were in the lifestyle, and I think we’re to the point now where we’re reaping the benefits from that, but really what I want you to talk about, you know, is what about exercise? What is it about exercise in the human body, and how does that exercise complement the diet that you were just talking about? 

Mr. Night 38:23 Exercise is the second most important thing that we can do to take care of ourselves. Building muscle, increasing blood flow, will help us with flexibility. It’ll help us with strength. It’ll help us be able to get down on the floor and do what we want to with our grandkids. We are all getting older, we all have grandkids – or we do – we want to be able to go out and do whatever we want to do. We want to be able to lift whatever we wanted to do. And exercise is very important in order to make that happen. Now, what is the right exercise? Mr. Jones, you mentioned several different kinds of exercise. The answer is, whatever exercise you will do. Whatever exercise works for you, is what you need to be doing. Because I can’t prescribe somebody to go walking 20 minutes a day or go jogging. I can’t prescribe for them to go to the gym, or to go canoeing or kayaking, because they may not have the ability to do that. They may not have the money for the gym, they may hate going to the gym. So, I talk to them about finding something that they 

will do. And then I just give different suggestions. I am not a gym rat. I haven’t been to a gym in 15 years, and I’m in pretty good shape. What I found that worked for me was I started just walking on the treadmill. I got a treadmill, and I put my headphones in and I’d start walking on the treadmill, and then I just started doing it every day. But then that moved to, okay, well, I’m going to start doing crunches. So I started doing crunches, and then I started doing lunges. And then finally Mrs. Night taught me, showed me some video, some video exercise routines, and I’ve been doing that for the last year. 

Mr. Jones 40:29 So what about you, Mrs. Night? What do you do exercise wise? 

Mrs. Night 40:34 Um, well, my exercise comes and goes. Sometimes I’m real good at it, and sometimes I’m not. Right now, typically, I’m running three miles a day on a treadmill. And then I also do the same workout video as Mr. Night. That’s what works for me. I have friends that do yoga. I have friends that do Pilates, some that do boxing. It’s just, I have found, even with everybody, you have to like what you’re doing. You have to enjoy It. Me, yoga is boring, I cannot do something that slow. So the exercise I …are more of a – the new popular thing is the HITexercises. However, the videos I watch, he’s been doing that for 20 or 30 years, I had bad knees, I’ve had knee surgery on both knees. So his stuff is very low impact, but it’s things that I can do. And it’s fast. 

Mr. Jones 41:24 So is there a number of times per week, Mr. Night, that you’re recommending that once you find something, whether it’s walking, whether it’s – and you know, I’ll even speak from a runner. You know, people look at me and they say, the first thing they say is, oh, well, I could never run because it’ll hurt my knees. And I’m like, well, when you’re 30 or 40 pounds overweight, the last thing that you should be doing is running. That’s going to just put more stress on your on your joints. So you know, what is the progression? How many times per week? You know, is there a magic number, or how do you – you don’t prescribe what people do, but how often should they do that? 

Mr. Night 42:05 Right. There’s no magic number and everybody’s different. But I recommend three times a week that they do something. If it’s something like walking, I say do it more, five times a week, go out and walk for 20 minutes a day. I do my workout video three times a week, Monday, Wednesday and Friday, I’m doing a 30 minute workout video. I get on the treadmill a couple of other days a week, but that’s just going above and beyond. But I recommend at least three times a week you’re doing a 30 minute workout. Now, if you’re not doing some kind of weight training, I think that it’s important that you do a weight training along with whatever workout plan you’re going to start. Walking is fine. But building muscle is very important because muscle helps your body use nutrients and burn sugars and burn cholesterols. So muscle is part of – should be a part of any workout routine. So our workout video uses hand weights. Now it doesn’t take a lot of weights, I work out with 10 pound dumbbells. That’s all I do, but I do a lot of push ups. So you can – 

whenever you’re running or jogging for exercise, that’s very good and …it works. It’s a very good cardiovascular workout, but you need something to increase your metabolism, so be sure to do some kind of muscle building exercise to increase your metabolism. 

Mrs. Jones 43:39 I like doing the strength training along with the running and the Peloton just because it kind of like breaks up the monotony. You know, what am I going to do today? You know, and I try to do strength training, you know, at least a couple times a week to kind of fill in the days, you know, like it’s a rainy day today. Oh, well good. I don’t have to go outside and run, I’ll just do strength training, You know, just to have kind of a backup plan, a little cross training. 

Mr. Night 44:06 I agree. I was doing the workout videos and it’s mostly about building muscle in a non impact way, and when I got on the treadmill it was kind of refreshing, to go out and do something different. So do have a couple of different plans or do something different. Ride a bike or or go rowing or we have rivers around here or creeks that we get on the kayak and go kayaking. Do something different also. 

Mrs. Jones 44:32 You know, one thing I noticed – I got on a kick where I was doing yoga last year, and I just had like, I bought a video series and I was doing it at home. It made me realize how terrible my flexibility is, like, it’s horrible. And you know, I’m like, damn, you know, if I were more flexible, I could probably do this position a little bit better. There is more than one reason to have good flexibility. 

Mr. Jones 45:01 And also I think back to this whole sheltering in place pandemic Coronavirus. And this is April of 2020. And we’re all in this lockdown status. And when I’ve been out running, I have seen so many in my neighborhood riding bikes, walking, running. 

Mrs. Jones 45:22 And we’ve lived here for 12 years, and we’re seeing people we’ve never met before. And just because they’re outside. 

Mr. Jones 45:26 And I think that we’re going to be doing this long enough to establish this habit. And so there’s going to be a lot of life changes that we make coming out of this. And I hope that exercising is something that people are, if you’re doing more of it now because you have the time to do it, I’m hoping that you’re doing it long enough to experience the benefit of it. And that motivates you a little bit more because I know as a runner, I mean, not too many people enjoy running. I mean, let’s face it, it’s painful. But, once you do it for three or four weeks, all of a sudden something switches and it’s like, okay, this isn’t bad. As a matter of fact, I’m enjoying this a little bit. So I’m hopeful that… 

Mrs. Jones 45:33 The first two miles are always the worst. Like, no matter how long you’ve been running. 

Mr. Night 46:19 I think you’re crazy, by the way, for running like that. [Laughter] 

Mrs. Jones 46:23 I’m always really grumpy and everything hurts the first two miles, and then I’m like, okay, now I’m kind of like in the groove. But yeah. 

Mr. Night 46:31 The other thing that’s very important about exercise is that it relieves stress. You know, we’re all cooped up in our house and we want to do something or we have a hard work day ahead of us or a hard work week or we had a hard work day. Exercising gives us a release, it helps us release those natural endorphins, and it just makes us feel better. So like you guys said, after running two miles, you don’t feel anything. Everything feels better after that. That euphoria is released, those hormones are released. You just feel better. It is a great stress reliever. It’s very important for our mental health also. 

Mrs. Jones 47:09 Yeah. I always say I can solve all the world’s problems when I’m running. You know, because I have nothing else to do. I am running. I am now two miles from home and there’s no other way to get back home than to just run back home. So you got plenty of time to think about it. 

Mr. Jones 47:25 Yeah. So we’re gonna shift now. Anything more on exercise before we move on to hormones? Okay. Well, so just to be transparent here, Mrs. Jones, do you want to talk about the whole how we got into hormone replacement? 

Mrs. Jones 47:48 Yes. So it’s been almost a year ago for me now. I started doing bioidentical hormone replacement therapy. And it’s because about a year and a half ago, menopause hit me hard. So I was 54. And I thought, well, nothing’s happened yet, and I have not had any kind of female surgery. So I had all my parts and everything was still functioning. And then all of a sudden, I was like one big hot flash mess. Like 24 hours a day for eight months, I actually ruined – I have like a wood executive desk that I work at, and actually destroyed the finish of it because my forearms were sweaty all the time. So you know, when I would like press my forearms to like, type on the keyboard, I was literally like, melting the finish off of my desk. That is so sexy, isn’t it everybody? It was my reality. It was terrible. And I thought, dammit, I can run a marathon. Certainly I can power through menopause, and I really thought it was going to be mind over matter and I failed miserably. So about a year and a half ago, I went to the doctor and I’m like, okay, “uncle”. I can’t do this anymore. And he kind of dismissed me. I’m like, should we check 

my hormone levels? Like, am I in menopause? Am I through menopause? And like, I don’t really understand how all this works. And he was like, oh, I’m just gonna give you a little estrogen pill and it’s gonna make your hot flashes go away. So I was like, well, okay, but like, you know, I’ve got this brain fog, and I don’t want to exercise anymore. And I’m just, I’m just like a puddle of goo. 

Mr. Jones 49:32 And your body was changing. 

Mrs. Jones 49:33 Yeah, and I was gaining weight, and I was just absolutely miserable. And he’s like, well, he’s like, try these pills and if they make your hot flashes go away, it’s all good. But he said, If it doesn’t, then we’ll maybe look into it a little bit more. And I felt like I was totally dismissed, and I walked away, got the pills and they did make the hot flashes stop. But I literally thought that I was like, experiencing signs of like early Alzheimer’s. Like I really, I would be working – I have a business where I have multiple clients – I’d be working and I’d be like, huh, which client am I working on right now? I would be totally lost as to what I was doing. I was just completely working on autopilot, and I didn’t want to exercise and I was just miserable. So finally I started talking to other ladies and I and I found out about hormone replacement therapy and I investigated it and it’s really been a life changer for me and I guess that sounds melodramatic, but it’s true. I’m really starting to feel like myself again. 

Mr. Jones 50:39 And then, from my perspective, then after Mrs. Jones went, of course she brings me the brochure. And like a good wife, she shoves it in my face and says, 

Mrs. Jones 50:49 They fix husbands too. 

Mr. Jones 50:50 And I’m like, what do you mean fix? [Laughter] You know, so then I went in for a consult and then they were saying, oh, your testosterone is at this level, and it really should be at this level. And, you know, so I bought into the whole thing, and I did the pellets and, you know, I really didn’t experience the same transformational thing that Mrs. Jones, you know, was going through, and it just took a while for me to really start to understand what they were doing and what they were trying to do and that my body is different and that I don’t need levels – you know, I’m an individual person and I had to figure out what works best for me. And so anyway, the past year we’ve been experimenting with this and struggling with it, and I think finally dialing into, you know, a dosage and a regimen that’s good for us but we want you to talk about, you know, this in general and, you know, as we age, …is hormone replacement necessary? You know, what is it all about? And is it Voodoo? You know, is it witchcraft? You know, because so many people – because it’s not like something that’s FDA approved. And so help educate us on your philosophy around hormone replacement and what you believe it is and how it helps people. 

Mr. Night 52:24 Okay, Mrs. Night, do you want to tell us about your story? About where you are? 

Mrs. Night 52:28 Okay. So I actually started on bioidentical hormone replacement about five and a half, six years ago. We had been married about seven years, and I pretty much couldn’t lose weight. I wasn’t happy. I didn’t want to have sex, which was huge. 

Mr. Jones 52:50 That’s a problem. 

Mrs. Night 52:51 That’s a huge problem for newlyweds. So we started looking into ways that would help me. That’s when we found the bioidentical hormones. For me, it’s the pellets. They’ve worked for me for five years, I can now lose weight. I see muscle when I work out where I wasn’t doing that before. My mental clarity is better. My joints are actually better. So for me, it’s been a godsend. Like you say, it’s just transformational because sex is awesome again, I’m exercising. I see results, feel good. It’s just been wonderful. 

Mr. Night 53:30 Now, Mrs. Jones, your doctor didn’t fail you. American medicine is what failed you. American medicine teaches the American doctors to treat disease. Going through menopause is not disease. Going through menopause is a natural part of living. And that’s why doctors aren’t trained to take care of the menopause or andropause if we’re talking about men. If you’re interested in learning this, you have to go get special education, because you’re not taught this in regular medical school, or you’re not taught this in nurse practitioner school. So it took me an effort, an extra effort to go learn how to do this and read book after book after book and find the right organization to teach me how to do this. And that’s what’s different about my practice and how I do it, compared to most mainstream American practitioners. Hormones are naturally high when we are young. We compare everybody – we call healthy 20 years old. If you’re 20 years old, you are very healthy. Well measure the hormone levels in a 20 year old. Their levels are very high, their testosterones are up, their estrogen’s up, their progesterone’s up, their melatonin is up, all their hormones are up. I call them baby making machines at 20 years old. Okay? So the reason they’re baby making machines is because they’re healthy, because their hormones are really high. Now all these hormones naturally go down at a steady rate as we get older. And then of course, women go through that crazy drop at menopause and they just crash. We men just have a steady decline as we get older. Now, I admit when I went and got my training, I never – I didn’t feel bad. I was 45 years old, and I actually raised my hand and said, I don’t feel bad, what is testosterone going to do for me? And it took me a little while before I actually got my testosterone and when I did get it, the first thing I realized was, man, I was sleeping good. That was the first thing. I was dreaming good and resting good and sleeping good. But that was about the only thing that I noticed. But as I progressed and as I started supplementing, and 

taking the hormones, about a year later I’m just a completely different person. I’m stronger, my attitude is better. My outlook is better. I’m sleeping better. I’m resting better. My thinking is better. This is all because the same hormones that were really high when I was 20 years old, I’ve got them high again. And that’s what I try to do with all of my patients. That’s what I try to do with Mrs. Night. And that’s what I try to teach to everybody. Men’s hormone need to – the testosterone needs to be up. Women, the estrogen needs to be 20-year-old levels. The progesterone is a balancing hormone. It needs to be up also. And we need to be taking melatonin. Now, what about testosterone for women? Do women need testosterone? 

Mrs. Jones 56:49 Yes. Yes. 

Mr. Night 56:53 Absolutely they do. Testosterone gives you energy, strength, stamina. It increases your libido. It helps you build muscle. It helps you sleep better. It helps with joint pain, it helps with anxiety, and it helps with fatigue. There’s not too many people who are over 45 years old who don’t have some of those symptoms, and now that doesn’t have anything to do with sex. We both feel that way. So when we replace that testosterone, it doesn’t matter whether you’re a woman or a man, you’re going to feel better. And the side effects, what could possibly – what side effects could you have with bioidentical hormone replacement? You are replacing what your body naturally has. Now you can get side effects if you overdo it. So we’re not trying to overdo it. We’re just trying to restore our body back to where it was when we were younger, and we felt better. 

Mr. Jones 57:53 So let me ask you about overdoing it, because when you and I met and I actually showed you my my lab results, you know, the place that I went to you, you know, because as you mentioned, it’s interesting, it’s a catch 22 because American medicine is not trained, as you mentioned, to deal with this, but the organizations that are trained, maybe aren’t as professional – their standards are different. And so, you know, when I went in there, they said, oh, well, you just need to be – your testosterone needs to be above 1000. And, I said, well, why? Well, because that’s where most guys want it. And, and so I, you know, I walked out of there thinking, and then I didn’t really feel good after it was that high. And it wasn’t until I let it come down to about 600 or 700 when I started feeling really good. And then I went back in and I said, look, this is where I’m feeling good. This range right here, and they said, well, you know, sometimes we just over-prescribe because most guys want to have more testosterone. I’m like, what kind of a place is this? You’re putting these things in my body – so can you talk a little bit about how we are individuals and you know, there’s pellets and there’s creams and there’s shots and there’s not a lot of information out there that is credible. So what would you recommend that men – and we’ll talk about women in a minute but what should men – what questions should we ask? What things do we need, when we get our blood work, what do we need to look for? And what kind of feedback do we need to give the people that are administering this to us so that we can get to where we need to be as an individual? 

Mr. Night 59:43 This is what I wish – I wish that we would stop asking for, and practitioners would stop looking at lab. And that’s the problem. We’re trying to get the numbers right. But what does right mean? If you come in and you have all those symptoms that I mentioned or low testosterone, then treat with testosterone, how much testosterone? Enough to treat those symptoms. We’re treating symptoms, we should not be treating the lab. And that’s the problem with America. America is trying trying to treat lab and they’re not treating the patients. So when you come in and you’re having these symptoms, I give you testosterone, we slowly increase the dosage until you feel better. Now, if we give too much, you’re gonna feel bad – on the other side of things. You’re going to have swelling, you’re going to have acne, you’re going to have oily skin, you’re going to be irritable, that’s too much. Then you back it down. So what dose is good for you? The dose that makes you feel good without having side effects. 

Mr. Jones 1:00:49 Yeah, I like the idea of moving up instead of putting me up at 1100 and then letting me come down until I feel good. I wish I would have known that ahead of time. 

Mr. Night 1:00:58 Well, I’ll tell you with testosterone there’s three to four ways to get testosterone, you got pellets, you have injections, and you have creams, and then women, you can get actually oral capsules. My preference for men is not the pellets. I do the pellets, and it does work well for some people. But it’s not my favorite, because like you say, you’re going to get a real high dose and then it’s going to steadily go down after that. I prefer injections, if we’re talking about cost, because it is a cheaper way to get the testosterone, and creams is probably the most consistent way to get testosterone. It costs a little bit more, but it’s very easy to control. It works very well. So every person is different. You have to figure out which one of these three that you want, and then you get – and then you work slowly trying to get the dose to where you want it to be. 

Mr. Jones 1:01:01 So I think the ladies need to pitch in here because we’ve gotten a lot of messages from women in the lifestyle who are in their 40s, in their 50s and beyond, who are either anticipating menopause or going through it now. And, you know, what does it mean to your libido? What does it mean to your sex life? What does it mean to the lifestyle? I mean, how – this is not free, you know, this is something that you have to pay for. So, I mean, so Mrs. Night and Mrs. Jones, you know, what would you say to other women, you know, who are approaching this from that perspective, you know, what has it meant to you and then, and then Mr. Night, you know, what do you tell ladies that are at this phase also? 

Mrs. Jones 1:02:54 I think the biggest piece of advice is as you notice your mindset changing, as you notice your body changing, don’t settle. Like don’t think that this is just like the trajectory you need to be on because you’re aging. You know, you can manage it, and maybe you’re not going to feel like 

you’re 20 years old again, but you are going to feel better. And I think if you stay, try to stay ahead of it, then you can, you know, live a life where you’re not constantly on the decline. 

Mrs. Night 1:03:32 I agree. I would tell women, like you said, not to settle. If you go and you see a practitioner and you just don’t feel good about that person or they’re not listening to you, they’re not hearing what you’re telling them, then they’re the wrong provider for you. To research your providers, talk to your friends who are doing it. If you’re in your 40s, look at it now because then you won’t have to go through the problems Mrs. Jones and I went through. You will be able to sideline the problems and not have to deal with the problems. You don’t have to deal with the sluggish mind or the lower libido. So your husband wants to know what’s wrong with you, you don’t love me anymore. And it has nothing to do with that. A lot of us women, we compare ourselves to other women. And it’s really hard if your hormones are off, and so and so’s hormones are good, and you’re comparing yourself to them. It’s not fair to you. 

Mrs. Jones 1:04:28 Right. Right. 

Mrs. Night 1:04:29 It’s not fair to make that comparison. So I say look at it now. Don’t wait. Don’t hesitate, talk to your friends, find a good provider and make sure they listen to you. 

Mrs. Jones 1:04:38 Yeah. And you know, one of the things that that Mr. Night talked about earlier with Mr. Jones is the whole not sleeping. Like, I think that was a huge thing for me. I mean, I think that’s why I had no libido is because I was exhausted all the time. Like is all I could think about is oh my gosh, I just want a good night’s sleep. So of course, I didn’t want to have sex because when I hit the bed, I just wanted to be able to sleep, but then I couldn’t sleep. And it was just, you know, that whole downward spiral thing. And, honestly, I mean, I do get testosterone replacement as part of my whole therapy. And I’m not like crazy horny, like I thought that maybe I would end up being, and it would be great. But when I do, when we do decide to have sex, whether it’s just with each other, or maybe somebody else, like my body is – it jumps on board way faster than it used to, you know. 

Mrs. Night 1:05:35 It’s much more responsive. 

Mrs. Jones 1:05:36 Absolutely. And you know, I’ve joked around on the podcast, and not really jumped around, but I kind of say it lightly. You know, women have it so much easier in the lifestyle because when things aren’t necessarily like 100% working for us, we just need a couple drops of lube and we’re good to go. You know, but now I don’t need a couple drops a lube. Like my body’s just like okay, I’m ready. Here we go. 

Mrs. Night 1:05:59 Right, right. 

Mrs. Jones 1:06:00 And I just – it’s so refreshing to not have to worry about that anymore. 

Mr. Night 1:06:06 And that is tough for women. Women are – they have a lot more to deal with than just we men, we have testosterone, we’re done. Women have estrogen, they have progesterone. And if you’ve had a hysterectomy, you don’t have to worry about any spotting or bleeding. But if you haven’t had a hysterectomy, there’s always a chance that there can be some spotting as you figure out how you need to be treated with hormones. I will tell you, you mentioned about the libido and testosterone. Women respond very much to estrogen. They are – Mrs. Night has always been estrogen dominant. If there’s such a thing. I’ll tell you, she responds better to having higher estrogen levels than having testosterone levels. Every patient is a snowflake. They’re all different. You have to to figure out as a practitioner, you have to figure out what works for that patient. And the only way is by listening to them and trying different things and getting levels at different levels to figure out what works best for that patient. 

Mr. Jones 1:07:13 So what about thyroid? What does that play in this whole equation? 

Mr. Night 1:07:18 There’s two very important hormones that it doesn’t matter whether you’re female or male. It’s very important in our life, to help keep us in balance. First, melatonin. Yes, testosterone helps us sleep better. Yes, our hormones will help us rest better. But what is that hormone that helps us sleep at night, and that’s going to be melatonin. One thing, a pet peeve that I have about Melatonin is that you need to get good quality melatonin if you buy it. I have people come to me all the time and say, I’ve taken melatonin and it doesn’t work. The reason it doesn’t work is because they’re buying it over the counter. If you’re buying melatonin or supplements at all from these big brand stores that we all know, you’re not going to get good quality stuff. And you’re going to take those vitamins and your vitamin levels aren’t going to go up and you’re going to take that melatonin and it’s not going to help you sleep. You need to get good quality melatonin. Now, how much melatonin do you need? You need enough to make you sleep well. 

Mrs. Night 1:08:40 Every person is different, because what I take is a fraction of what Mr. Night takes. 

Mr. Night 1:08:47 I’ll tell you the way I did it. I went to my compounding pharmacy, and I got them to order melatonin, started making melatonin for me. I ordered it – I ordered 10 milligrams of melatonin, so I started taking 10 milligrams of compounded melatonin. Because they compound it, I know it 

was in there. For the first month I took 10 milligrams. The next month I took five more milligrams. So now I’m at 15. Every month I increased my melatonin by five milligrams. When I hit 30 milligrams, it was like a light switch. I slept like a baby. I slept well. I dreamt well. I got up and felt really good. 30 milligrams might sound like a lot, but that’s how much it takes to make me sleep well. Then I went to 35 milligrams. Well, 35 milligrams, I was waking up a little bit groggy. That took me about 20 minutes to get out of that nighttime daze. And so I finished that 35 milligrams, I went back to 30 and I’ve been on 30 milligrams for the past year. 30 milligrams of compounded melatonin is my dose. Mrs. Night takes 10 milligrams. So everybody’s different, you just have to figure out what dose works for you. Like I said, you’re going to have it – that doesn’t work or it’s going to be too high and you’re going to have side effects. The side effects was I was sleeping. You’re not going to overdose on melatonin, you’re just going to be sleepy in the morning. That’s it. Take enough to make it work. Now, the second thing is thyroid. Thyroid is very important for cellular energy. Our body needs energy to function. And at the cellular level is where we make that energy. The mitochondria in the cell uses thyroid to produce energy. So just like I said about the testosterone in men, when you’re 20 years old, it’s nice and high, and it steadily declines as you get older. So when you’re 50 years old, your thyroid is much lower than a 20 year old. So you’re going to be more sluggish. Your gut’s going to be slower. Your thinking, your finding your keys, your energy, it’s just, it’s just not going to be functioning right. And yes, your hair is going to start having troubles if your thyroid is not functioning. That’s a big complaint. They say, doc, my thyroid’s messed up, my hair is falling out. So we start doing some lab tests. Now the problem again with American medicine is they check the wrong lab test. If your practitioner is checking a TSH, they are off the mark. The main thyroid test that needs to be tested is called a free T3, that’s your active thyroid hormone. And you want to get that active thyroid hormone to the high end of normal. That’s the way I practice, but I also listen to my patients. How are you feeling? Last month’s dose, I increased that. Do you feel better at this month’s dose? And if they do, then we stay at that dose, or we try a little bit higher. Is that too much? They’ll tell me it’s if it’s too much because your thyroid increases energy. So they’re going to be feeling warm, they’re going to be feeling antsy, they’re going to be feeling anxious, that’s too much thyroid. So you back it down. Now you feel good, and you’re not sluggish, which is too low and you’re not antsy, which is too high. You’re just right, you feel better. Thyroid is very important. I think everybody should be on thyroid because it’s a natural part of aging. As we age, these hormones naturally go down. And our body needs this energy to protect itself. Our body needs this energy for our heart to work and our gut to work and our brain to work and our hair to work. We need that energy to function properly. 

Mr. Jones 1:12:46 And our penis to work. 

Mr. Night 1:12:49 Of course. 

Mr. Jones 1:12:53 Okay, so that’s thyroid and melatonin. Were you gonna talk about anything else? 

Mr. Night 1:12:58 Those are the big things. I could talk about human growth hormone and peptides. But that’s very specific and it’s very expensive. So probably not going to be a lot of people are gonna want to talk about it. 

Mr. Jones 1:13:09 So testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, thyroid and melatonin. So, now, how do I find somebody as knowledgeable as you? I don’t want to fly to Texas necessarily to see you. Well, I mean, if Mrs. Night is going to be there, that makes a difference. But, I mean, if I’m looking for this kind of provider, what do I look for? How do I do an internet search? How am I going to find like a credible, you know, service that’s going to provide me everything that you’ve talked about? 

Mr. Night 1:13:48 Okay. So if you’re looking for a provider in your area, so that you know they have the training and the understanding that I’m speaking of today, what I would recommend is a website called World Link Medical – worldlinkmedical.com, that is the training, that’s where I got my bioidentical certificate. There are providers all over the US that have gone to this training. This training continues today, providers are getting re-educated and refreshed on a quarterly basis. They’re very educated on this subject, and they’ll know how to treat you. So go to worldlinkmedical.com and go to their providers and look for a provider in your area. 

Mr. Jones 1:14:43 Okay, and I think lastly, like, why, well, I think we’ve talked around this, but why do I want to do this? I mean, look, it’s not covered by insurance. The lifestyle is expensive. I’m spending time on, you know dieting, I’m exercising. Now I’m talking about an additional outlay. Like, what is this going to help me – outside the lifestyle, I mean, we’ve already talked about that, you know, you have more endurance, you’re in better condition, you’re more attractive, but what is it doing for me? Why do I want to invest in this? 

Mr. Night 1:15:20 The reason why you want to do this, the reason why you want to do the hormones is for protection. You want to protect your body as it gets older. If you don’t want to have heart disease, take your testosterone, take your estrogen. If you don’t want to have dementia, these are the hormones that you need. Testosterone protects you against breast cancer. Estrogen protects you against osteoporosis. progesterone protects you against all of these things. The question is, why would you not do it? We’re trying to avoid illness, we’re not trying to get disease and then treat the disease. We want to not get these diseases to begin with. We want to be healthy, and …we want to be active as we get older. I keep saying over and over again, I want to be very healthy and happy when I get hit by that bus that’s going to kill me. I am not going to die of a disease, I am going to prevent that disease. And that’s what these hormones do. 

Mr. Jones 1:15:49 

And it’s, you know what, we totally buy into this because we’re doing it but I’m looking at, you know, back to your comment about American medicine and how it’s designed. I am paying thousands of dollars a month for health care. But it’s all reacting to – it’s not preventing anything. You know, it’s treating, you know, me because of something that a disease that I get or a condition… 

Mrs. Night 1:17:05 Well, it’s insurance against what’s gonna happen in the future. 

Mr. Jones 1:17:08 But here I am, I’m paying thousands of dollars into that. But if I were to invest a couple thousand dollars into hormone replacement and diet and exercise, would I not avoid a lot of the things that I’m paying all this money for insurance to provide me? 

Mr. Night 1:17:28 Agreed. This is a very proactive approach to your health care. You are taking responsibility to your health. Diet, exercise, hormone replacement, and taking the proper supplements is going to protect your health as you get older so that you never get disease. 

Mrs. Jones 1:17:48 Right. I mean even like, let’s go worst case scenario because cancer does run in families and, 

Mr. Jones 1:17:55 And heart disease. 

Mrs. Jones 1:17:56 Right, but I mean, I’m thinking cancer specifically. Like even if you do get cancer, then aren’t we going to be healthier to be able to fight that? You know, if we’ve taken the best care we can of ourselves? 

Mr. Night 1:18:09 Absolutely. When you’re eating well, and you’re strong due to your exercise, and you’re taking preventative hormones, you can get a cancer, but you’ll be much stronger to fight that, and it’ll be much less devastating to you. Absolutely. 

Mr. Jones 1:18:27 Well, I’m hoping that sex with other people is the motivator here for people… [Laughter] Because really, I mean, the comment that I get a lot, and it’s really not fair. It’s true, but it’s really not fair. I mean, people say, well, you just have good genes. I’m like, well, you know, maybe that’s true, but daggonnit, I mean, I exercise, and I try to watch what I eat, and I try to proactively manage my health. And, you know, I’m benefiting from that. I mean, I’m in my late 50s, and, you know, I feel better now than I probably did at any point in my life. And you know, so if you’re – even if you’re 35, or 40, or 45, you know, to be able to make this mind shift that I just can’t get 

out of bed and be 20 years old anymore, you know, I need to proactively manage my health, I need to proactively manage my exercise, and …I guess the whole point here is when you’re in the lifestyle, and Mrs. Jones and I are in the upper quartile of age. 

Mrs. Jones 1:19:36 Yes, we are. 

Mr. Jones You know, we want to do everything that we can, not just – yes, for our grandkids and for you know, not to be prisoners in our own body, but, you know, just the motivation of being physically fit and attractive and able to perform. You know, these are things that all of a sudden at this point in our lives, we now didn’t realize we were going to be up against. So is there – I guess one final question, is there a age that you need to start thinking about this? Or should everybody be thinking about this? 

Mr. Night 1:20:13 Well, women will probably be thinking about it earlier, depending on what’s going on with them, and whether they have a hysterectomy or why they have a hysterectomy. So they’re going to be thinking about it whenever they start having period problems. Men are going to start thinking about it whenever they start getting sluggish and tired. Now that’s going to be around 45, I would say is going to be average. Some people are older, some, some people are younger. When you start playing around with other people, and you want everything to work and you want to look good, you want to have all these things right. You want to have your testosterone up, you want to have your estrogen up, because that’s what makes that part of our body work. And so when you get in the lifestyle and you start playing around, you want everything to function properly. And as we get older, we want to replace everything that we’ve lost so that we can continue to function like we were that 20 year old. 

Mrs. Jones 1:21:19 I just got, about two months ago, I just got the best compliment ever, which has made all of the investigating on what to do and the hormone replacement and made it all worthwhile. I was – we were playing with a couple, and I happened to be on top, and I was pretty much doing all the work and we were having fun and it was kind of a – we were going at it for a while. And at one point, the guy said, oh my god, I’m so glad that you can run a marathon. You know, it’d been going on for a long time. He’s like, you’ve got great endurance, and I was like, yes! 

Mr. Night 1:21:57 Fantastic. That’s great. That’s what we want. Even at fifty-something. 

Mrs. Jones 1:22:02 That’s right. It made it even more meaningful. 

Mr. Jones 1:22:07 

Well… go ahead. 

Mr. Night 1:22:09 One more comment that we didn’t talk on, that we need to speak about is about the supplements. I do believe in supplements. As we get older, we need to replace those supplements. We don’t get what we need from our diet. A lot of food just doesn’t have a lot of the nutrition that it either used to have, or it’s just not available in our foods these days. So we need to take some of the proper supplements. I do believe in probiotics. Probiotics help to keep our gut healthy, and a lot of – many – 70% of our antibodies are produced in our gut. Antibodies are used to protect us against disease and protect us against illnesses. So probiotics are very important. I take one every day. 

Mrs. Jones 1:23:04 Can you get adequate probiotics from like Greek yogurt? 

Mr. Night 1:23:08 No, no, you can’t. 

Mrs. Jones 1:23:10 Okay, because that’s like a common myth. 

Mr. Night 1:23:13 I’ll tell you why. The reason is because in America, they have to pasteurize all dairy products. So yogurt is pasteurized, meaning there’s no bacteria in there. So they have to put the probiotic in it in order to say that there’s probiotic in it. So it’s not natural at all. It’s only what the food manufacturer put in there. And you know, food manufacturers are only going to put the cheapest stuff in there. They’re all about profit. So, no, greek yogurt is not going to do it. You need to take a good high quality probiotic every day. 

Mrs. Jones 1:23:49 And I can’t get that from the big box store either, can I? 

Mr. Night 1:23:52 Nope. 

Mrs. Jones 1:23:53 I’ve already been chastised by Mr. Night about buying my supplements at… 

Mr. Jones 1:23:57 Costco. 

Mrs. Jones 1:23:58 I wasn’t going to name names. 

Mr. Night 1:24:01 No, not at the big box stores. Okay, second thing fish oil, or the omega oils. Our brains are made mostly of fat. So we need to replace that with healthy fat, so get your good fish oil and take your fish oil every day to protect your brain. I take one every night when I take my melatonin, because that’s when your brain is going to start repairing itself and resting and repairing everything for the next day. So take your fish oils at night with your melatonin. Alright, vitamin D. Vitamin D3 is very, very important. It helps to protect us against heart disease. It protects us against cancer. It protects us against osteoporosis. It even protects against the common cold. I promise. I have a study that shows that. Vitamin D3 is very protective. People need to be taking five to 10,000 international units every day of a good quality vitamin D. So it’s very important. And then the next thing is B complex, not B12, not B12 alone. You want all the B vitamins, take B2, take B3, take B6, take B12. That’s a big complex. So get a good quality B complex, take it every day. Those are going to be my suggestions for supplements. 

Mr. Jones 1:24:05 Okay. Well, thank you guys for joining us. And we’re looking forward to our future conversations. 

Mr. Night 1:25:29 Yes, well, thank you for all the compliments, 

Mrs. Jones 1:25:32 We’re gonna have to arrange the next meeting in person if they ever lift the stay at home orders. 

Mr. Night 1:25:38 That’s right. I would like that. 

Mrs. Jones 1:25:40 We were planning all kinds of good stuff and then the stupid pandemic… 

Mrs. Night 1:25:45 I know. 

Mr. Night 1:25:46 It’s definitely ruining some things. That’s for sure. 

Mrs. Jones 1:25:48 I’m telling you. Cramping our style. 

Mr. Jones 1:25:51 All right. Well, thank you guys very much. We appreciate your time. [Music] 

Mrs. Jones 1:26:06 

Welcome back to segment three. We really hope you enjoyed your time with Mr. And Mrs. Night. We know we did, and we learned a lot. . Well, we learned a lot, and I also had a lot of what I already knew reinforced by Mr. Night. 

Mr. Jones 1:26:26 Yes. Yeah. So we want you to – if you have any questions, after everything that you’ve heard, if you have a question for Mr. Night, or an inquiry, feel free to email me, [email protected], and Mr. Night has agreed to have us forward messages to him if you have any specific questions or if you want to do any additional research or if you just want to talk to him individually, you know, we’d be happy to pass that along. So please send me an email. But yeah, we hope that you – in a way, you know, I think we should also say that Mr. And Mrs. Night’s opinion and recommendations are not necessarily representative of We Gotta Thing or Mr. and Mrs. Jones. Those are their comments and their thoughts, and as you heard during the conversation there’s some things that he recommended that I mean, look, I get up and have bacon and eggs every morning for breakfast, so… 

Mrs. Jones 1:27:26 Well right, but you know, I think my biggest takeaway from the one thing he said that really hit me as he said, like, every patient is a snowflake. 

Mr. Jones 1:27:35 That’s right. 

Mrs. Jones 1:27:36 You know, there is not one answer that will make everybody healthy 

Mr. Jones 1:27:41 Correct. 

Mrs. Jones 1:27:43 Each one of our bodies functions differently. Each one of us has different motivations. You know, what my bathroom scale tells me might bother me, but for somebody else, it might be okay. Like, it’s not about the bathroom scale. It’s not about the number of calories you put in your body. It’s not about the number of miles you run or walk per day. It’s about, it’s about your attitude and your desire to keep your body healthy and you know your body better than anybody else. 

Mr. Jones 1:28:13 Yeah, but you know what, there’s, you know, even at my age, you know, and even, I mean, I’ve been exercising pretty heavily for the past 10 years. And just the past couple of months, I have finally gotten the cross training down, the upper body and strength training down, the nutrition down, the hormone replacement levels where they need to be for me, and they weren’t anywhere near what was originally recommended to me. You know, I have – it’s taken me 

several years to get to a point where I think I have finally everything in balance. And so it’s not, it’s not that what he said you need to write down and actually do verbatim. It’s that there’s so many components of this and it’s a lifelong journey, and it’s transformative. And if you’re in the lifestyle, and you want to be attractive to other people, and you want to attract other people, but not only that, like I said, you know, you don’t want to be prisoners in your own body. You want to be active and healthy and you want to live a healthy life. So each individual has to figure out for themselves, and it doesn’t happen overnight. There’s a whole lot of information out there. 

Mrs. Jones 1:29:25 Right. Right. And I mean, I’ve been exercising, you know, I’ve exercised my whole life, but really the past 10 years, we’ve been on a regimen and we’ve had, you know, races on the calendar and this and that. And, you know, I’ve – within that 10 years, I’ve had my my ups and my downs. And last year was horrible for me. Like I didn’t want to run anymore. Like how can you run for 10 years and then just not want to run anymore? 

Mr. Jones 1:29:53 Hormones? 

Mrs. Jones 1:29:54 Yeah, because it wasn’t an injury. Like my knees are fine. My hips are fine, like, everything’s fine. I just didn’t want to do it. 

Mr. Jones 1:30:00 Right. So should we – do we have to go to the archives for a snapshot? I mean, we haven’t done anything. We’ve been home. It’s just been the two of us. What are you -what’s your snapshot? 

Mrs. Jones 1:30:08 So like I said at the beginning of the podcast, we’ve been doing a lot of Zoom meetings, not only with our community, but with friends to catch up. And we had a Zoom meeting last Thursday night with some really, really fun, sexy lifestyle friends. And it was just medicine for the soul. 

Mr. Jones 1:30:30 Yes. 

Mrs. Jones 1:30:31 You know, luckily, we got to see them not too long ago before all of this hit the fan. They don’t live near us, but we had managed to get together with them and just had so much fun. But you know, one thing leads to another and then weeks go by and you don’t catch up. So we finally scheduled this Zoom meeting and oh my gosh, we had so much fun. 

Mr. Jones 1:30:52 Yes. 

Mrs. Jones 1:30:52 So anyway, we had a fantastic time chatting with them. I think we were chatting with them for what two… 

Mr. Jones 1:31:00 It was a while. 

Mrs. Jones 1:31:01 Two hours. 

Mr. Jones 1:31:02 It went by quickly, I think it was longer than that. 

Mrs. Jones 1:31:04 I think it was. So now that we’re not alone in our house, we have to hide down in Mr. Jones’s office to Zoom. Because our granddaughter is not a baby anymore. And she’s a little sneaky and snoopy. So we hide down here. And of course, we have our guest room down here. So after our Zoom meeting, somehow we ended up in our guest room, and I’m pretty sure my clothes are still in there from Thursday night. 

Mr. Jones 1:31:32 They are. 

Mrs. Jones 1:31:32 Yeah, cuz I did laundry. And I’m like, Where’s my top? 

Mr. Jones 1:31:36 Still in there. 

Mrs. Jones 1:31:37 Yeah, that’s ridiculous. But, so Mr. Jones and I ended up in there and we had some crazy sex. 

Mr. Jones 1:31:43 Yeah. 

Mrs. Jones 1:31:44 Yeah. I think you might have had a little bit of bourbon during that Zoom meeting. 

Mr. Jones 1:31:48 I did. 

Mrs. Jones 1:31:48 Yeah. I was drinking Licor 43. 

Mr. Jones 1:31:50 Well, let’s just say that Friday morning was my rest day. I did not exercise. It was my hungover… 

Mrs. Jones 1:31:58 I think I did. Oh, I did strength training. But I waited till the afternoon. Yeah, so I don’t – Okay, I was probably not sober either. But I remember you went down on me for a long time. 

Mr. Jones 1:32:11 Yeah. 

Mrs. Jones 1:32:11 And that was really fun. And then you did your signature move which is like flipping me over like a pancake. 

Mr. Jones 1:32:19 Well… 

Mrs. Jones 1:32:20 We go from missionary to doggy, not – like there’s no Simone Biles going on. There’s nothing like artistic about it. You literally flip me over like a pancake. 

Mr. Jones 1:32:33 Well, you know, we do have the same snapshot. So I was – we were face to face for a while, and that was really nice because I want to connect with you. I want to look into your eyes. 

Mrs. Jones 1:32:44 Right. 

Mr. Jones 1:32:45 Talk to you 

Mrs. Jones 1:32:45 Right. 

Mr. Jones 1:32:47 But then dammit, I just need my doggy style. So when the time comes I… 

Mrs. Jones 1:32:53 We need to work on our transition. 

Mr. Jones 1:32:55 I don’t think there was anything wrong with… 

Mrs. Jones 1:32:57 You know, like gymnasts work on their dismount. Like, you flipped me over like a pancake. 

Mr. Jones 1:33:01 I know, and then I went right back in you. I didn’t see any issue at all. It was very – it was continuous. But you know, you kind of keep the continuity. 

Mrs. Jones 1:33:11 My snapshot is – so we’re down here hiding, and we needed to go upstairs and go to bed in our own bed and we had finished having sex and I guess after doggy style was over, well, no no no. Because I remember you came on my back. Yeah, so you cleaned me up afterwards. 

Mr. Jones 1:33:32 I did. 

Mrs. Jones 1:33:32 I remember that because you didn’t let the washcloth get warm. 

Mr. Jones 1:33:35 I’m a gentlemen. 

Mrs. Jones 1:33:36 No, a gentleman would’ve let the water run longer to let the water get warm. I remember the cold water on my back. But anyway, you cleaned me up and we fell asleep. And I woke up at like 1:30 in the morning. And I was trapped under your arm. Like, we were sleeping. We weren’t even spoon… like, we were kind of facing each other. But your arm was over me, and… 

Mr. Jones 1:34:01 It’s an arm. 

Mrs. Jones 1:34:02 It weighed 450 pounds at 1:30 in the morning. 

Mr. Jones 1:34:05 Okay, so you’re exaggerating. 

Mrs. Jones 1:34:07 A little bit. I couldn’t get out from under you, and like I was trying to like, scooch, and then your arm weighed so much, and you weren’t even, like your reflexes weren’t even working for me to, like… 

Mr. Jones 1:34:18 

I had bourbon. 

Mrs. Jones 1:34:19 I know, but you were like, ripping all the hair out of my head as I’m like trying to like duck out from under you. So I finally get out from under you with most of my hair intact. And then I was like, honey, and I like leaned over because you were like, smack dab in the middle of the bed, and just completely dead to the world. So I like grabbed your ankle and I’m like shaking your ankle a little bit. I’m like, honey, we need to go to bed. And you didn’t even move. And then I’m like, oh, I wonder if he’s still alive. Because like, there was nothing, there wasn’t even like an annoying reflex, like stop touching me. I’m sleeping. There was nothing. You were completely limp and dead to the world. 

Mr. Jones 1:35:02 Okay. 

Mrs. Jones 1:35:02 So what kind of bourbon was that? 

Mr. Jones 1:35:04 It’s …not the type of bourbon. It’s the quantity of bourbon. 

Mrs. Jones 1:35:09 Right. 

Mr. Jones 1:35:10 Well, yeah, but the next morning, so my snapshot is the same event. But the next morning, the only thing that you did was complain. You said, oh, you know, I couldn’t get out from under you. It was cold. I was freezing. 

Mrs. Jones 1:35:21 You ripped all the hair out of my head, and I tried… 

Mr. Jones And I said, honey, can you at least just say, first of all, thank you for the good sex. 

Mrs. Jones We did have good sex. 

Mr. Jones 1:35:28 Yeah, but you didn’t even say that. 

Mrs. Jones 1:35:31 Well, no, we really did. 

Mr. Jones 1:35:33 I mean, all last episode… 

Mrs. Jones 1:35:35 I started out by saying you went down on me for a long time. What girl’s gonna complain about that? 

Mr. Jones 1:35:39 Last episode, we told everybody how our sex life was troubled. And here we had this amazing sex for like the past month. It’s all been great. 

Mrs. Jones 1:35:49 It has. 

Mr. Jones 1:35:50 And then the next morning you just complained about not being able to get out from under me and you were cold. Okay, let me – let me back up a minute. This is amazing. We have a lifestyle podcast. I’m looking forward to the time where we can talk about snapshots with some of our other friends. 

Mrs. Jones 1:36:09 I know. 

Mr. Jones 1:36:10 We’re surviving and we’re enjoying each other, but I think it’s we’re like beyond that halfway point, like, I’m starting to say, when are we going to be able to get back out and see friends again? 

Mrs. Jones 1:36:21 Yes, we are. But at the same time, we’re also thankful that everybody’s being responsible and that our country is actually reacting in the right way and we’re going to get through this. 

Mr. Jones 1:36:35 So we’d love to have you as a part of our community. This is a great time to join, and join us on our Friday night chats. We’re doing them weekly now and you’ll have a blast. 

Mrs. Jones 1:36:43 Yes. 

Mr. Jones 1:36:44 So if you want to know more about that, you can email me at [email protected]

Mrs. Jones 1:36:49 or me at [email protected] or 

Mr. Jones 1:36:52 you can go to our website, wegottathing.com and click on the Contact Us button and send us a message there, or you can follow on twitter @wegottathing. 

Mrs. Jones 1:37:02 And we’re also on Pinterest. And as far as lifestyle websites go, we have relationships with DDN and Kasidie. 

Mr. Jones 1:37:10 DDN: Double Date Nation. 

Mrs. Jones 1:37:11 Double Date Nation. And both of those websites, if you go to our website, we have some free trial offers. You know, it’s a good time to, to be able to take some time and peruse the sites and look at some profiles and try to meet some people. 

Mr. Jones 1:37:30 Yes, so we’ll be back soon to talk about more health related issues. But in the meantime, thanks for listening, 

Mrs. Jones 1:37:36 God, hopefully we’ll be able to talk about interacting with other people one of these days. 

Mr. Jones 1:37:42 We’re gonna take advantage of the downtime to talk about health and safety. 

Mrs. Jones 1:37:45 Yes. 

Mr. Jones 1:37:46 So thanks for listening. We are Mr. and Mrs. Jones, and We Gotta Thing. 

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