Mr. Jones 0:01

This podcast contains explicit language and content and is for mature audiences only.

Mrs. Jones 0:06

Hey, you teenagers out there, if you’re under 18 this show is more for your parents. So now that you have that mental picture stuck in your head, put some music on and get back to doing your homework.

Mr. Jones 0:17

We are a longtime married couple who’s decided to chronicle our personal adventures and share our sex positive discussions as we navigate our way through the swinging lifestyle.

Mrs. Jones 0:27

Care to join us? [Music]

Mr. Jones 0:47

Hello, everyone, I’m Mr. Jones.

Mrs. Jones 0:48

And I’m Mrs. Jones. We want to welcome you to Episode 77 of the We Gotta Thing podcast.

Mr. Jones 0:53

You’re stepping on my toes.

Mrs. Jones 0:54

Oh, sorry. I didn’t know those were your toes.

Mr. Jones 0:58

We’ve been sitting at this table for long time. We need a bigger table. This IKEA desk has worn out its welcome.

Mrs. Jones 1:06

We’ve finally outgrown our IKEA desk. I think we got this for one of our girls when they were like in middle school. It’s old.

Mr. Jones 1:15

Yeah, so we’ve got a few announcements before we get going tonight. What are we going to talk about? What’s the title?

Mrs. Jones 1:23

Oh, the title? It’s kind of a game. I never imagined I would ever… So it’s kind of – is that like a spin off of never have I ever?

Mr. Jones 1:32 Yeah.

Mrs. Jones 1:32

This is like the opposite of never have I ever.

Mr. Jones 1:35

Never have I thought I would ever.

Mrs. Jones  1:37 Right. But maybe I did.

Mr. Jones 1:40

We’ve done a few semi-serious podcasts in a row.

Mrs. Jones 1:45

I think menopause was kind of serious.

Mr. Jones 1:47

And we got some feedback that we needed to lighten it up.

Mrs. Jones 1:52

Well, I think just the whole pandemic thing has us all down and you know, we focused on our health, which was extremely important and it’s at the forefront of everybody’s mind. And then we talked about kind of getting our groove back on by acknowledging all of our various aspects of ourselves. So now we’re just going to kind of like reflect on the crazy journey we’ve been on for the past six years. And also the journeys of some of our listeners who have given us some input.

Mr. Jones 2:26

Yep. More on that in just a moment.

Mrs. Jones 2:28

Yeah, a lot more on that.

Mr. Jones 2:29 Thanks for the teaser.

Mrs. Jones 2:30

That’s right. So we have actually, like, begun living life again a little bit.

Mr. Jones 2:37 Imagine that.

Mrs. Jones 2:39

I know. So keeping up with the Joneses actually – there’s actually something to keep up on.

Mr. Jones 2:43

Yeah. And we got some things coming up too hopefully.

Mrs. Jones 2:48 Don’t jinx it.

Mr. Jones 2:48

Yeah. We’re supposed to be going to Desire Pearl next month – well it’s just a couple of weeks. We did have to shift our dates a little bit. Because of a family obligation that changed because of Coronavirus. So we’re gonna go August the ninth through the 15th now, so we had to shift it back about three or four days, but as long as – we have another week or so to back out if we decide to back out but…

Mrs. Jones 2:58

Yes, I think we have exactly a week.

Mr. Jones 3:18

Yeah, but as of now we’re still planning on going.

Mrs. Jones 3:21

I’m not gonna lie. I’m nervous.

Mr. Jones 3:22 Yeah, I know.

Mrs. Jones 3:23

I might hide in my room the whole time.

Mr. Jones 3:26

Yeah. Well, I mean – let’s go ahead and talk about that. Because…

Mrs. Jones 3:31

You know, what I need to do is I need to take one of my face masks and like, put like black lace over top of it.

Mr. Jones 3:38

To make a sexy face mask? Yeah, I’d be down with that. Mrs. Jones 3:42

I mean, you can’t make it shear because that kind of defeats the purpose. But I could at least like overlay it with like lace. So I could be naked with a black lace mask. Would that work for you? Like black high heels. Like I would like coordinate my heels with my face mask.

Mr. Jones 3:55 Yes.

Mrs. Jones 3:55 All right.

Mr. Jones 3:56 That’d be okay.

Mrs. Jones 3:57

All right. I might have to work on that. Maybe I’m onto something.

Mr. Jones 3:59

Maybe you are. Or we could just do it doggy style and you’ll breathe in the other direction.

Mrs. Jones 4:04

Oh, and then I could wear whatever crappy mask I can wear.

Mr. Jones 4:08

Well, if we haven’t given it to each other yet, it ain’t gonna happen. And speaking of trips, I mean, we’re still hoping that Podcast a Palooza takes place in October but that’s questionable too.

Mrs. Jones 4:21

Yep. The whole world is questionable right now. So I think you just kind of have to take it like a week at a time and just keep adjusting and adjusting and reassessing because, you know, everybody’s comfort level changes. Hotspots change throughout the country.

Mr. Jones 4:37

And we still have our planned trip at Desire in November, which is still sold out. We have a waiting list. But we anticipate some people would cancel there. And again…

Mrs. Jones 4:49

Right, so if you’re interested, I think it’s gonna be like a day by day thing. And I think like calling might be the best bet. When there’s cancellations, sometimes the website doesn’t really reflect the true availability.

Mr. Jones 5:01

Well if you’re interested in going and we’re sold out, send me an email [email protected] and I’ll help you. Give you the information that you need to get signed up as people cancel. And again, that’s a few months away, we’re hoping for the best. But we’ll see what things look like in September and October.

Mrs. Jones 5:18

Well, that’s why we’re doing our trip in August because honestly, I’m nervous about going in August, I’m not sure how full of an experience we’re gonna get.

Mr. Jones 5:28

So let’s, let’s talk about that because, you know, there’s been – Desire’s been open for a couple of months now. At least RM has.

Mrs. Jones 5:39

Yeah, I think some time in June.

Mr. Jones 5:40

Pearl opened in July. And there’s, you know, been some reports of people who have come back with a virus and as a matter of fact, Richard and Lauren, who do the room 77 podcast…

Mrs. Jones 5:56

And the art of touch massage, at Desire…

Mr. Jones 5:59

…have indicated recently that they self quarantined. And so they, they got sick, so they

self-quarantined, they stayed home. And during that period of time, somebody that was a guest kind of accused them of being the ones to pass the virus to them. So they’re in a bit of a state of flux right now. But I think the point that I want to make here that we want to make is that as you’re starting to venture back out, and we’re going to talk about a couple of weekend trips that we’ve taken recently, it’s a different world and when we decide to venture out, it’s our responsibility to take care of ourselves. And if we come home from a trip and we’re sick, there’s really nobody else to blame but us.

Mrs. Jones 6:51

Absolutely. I am not going to try to like pin it on somebody that was at Desire. Obviously, somebody there was sick. And we got from them. But we chose to put ourselves in a position or we’re choosing to put ourselves in a position where it’s not always feasible to be socially distant from people. And then, you know, if you engage in sexy play, you’re taking a risk.

Mr. Jones 7:15 But before that…

Mrs. Jones 7:16

But we know that before we even get on the airplane to go there.

Mr. Jones 7:19

Yeah, but before that, you’re going through an airport. You’re going through TSA screening, you’re standing in line to get through security. You’re sitting next to people at the gate, you’re boarding the plane with other people. You’re sitting on a plane for at least a couple of hours, probably more, with people. Some of you are connecting flights and having to do all that again. Then you land and you do the opposite. And then you get in transportation, and then you go to the resort. And then you do the same thing coming home. So it’s irresponsible to say that if you get sick during a trip – you don’t know where you picked it up. It could have been anywhere along that line. So to suggest…

Mrs. Jones 8:06

Right, not even necessarily at the resort itself.

Mr. Jones 8:08

Yeah, well, I think that where we feel bad for Richard and Lauren is that somebody has suggested that, that she thinks that they’re the ones that got her sick. And that’s not fair at all. And to their credit, you know, they handled it with integrity and with honesty, and they said, hey, we’re not feeling well, we’re self quarantining, we’re not coming back to Desire until, you know, this is passed and we get checked. Desire has not given them any information about when or if they’re coming back.

Mrs. Jones 8:41

You mean when their massage classes are going to resume.

Mr. Jones 8:43

Yeah, right. Or if they are. They don’t know.

Mrs. Jones 8:46

Which is an absolute shame.

Mr. Jones 8:48

Yeah. So you know, we have a responsibility to, as we decided to go, you know, we’re going to – our trips have been different. So when we go, like we just went to the beach for a week. But it wasn’t our normal beach trip, right?

Mrs. Jones 9:06

No, we did not go bar hopping. Well, we kind of did one night, but it was outside. No, we didn’t get to go to our all of our favorite restaurants. We didn’t do the bar hopping thing. We kind of stuck to ourselves. Luckily, we had a condo with a full kitchen and we were able to cook in and just enjoy the beach. And each other. A lot.

Mr. Jones 9:27

Yeah. We’ll get to that. But…

Mrs. Jones 9:31

But no, it was very different. And we made a deliberate choice, even though it was frustrating, because, you know, we were like there, at, you know, like, our very favorite place is this place called Murrells Inlet in Myrtle Beach. And it’s just this string of restaurants and tiki bars right on the water and it’s amazing. And we didn’t even go there.

Mr. Jones 9:51

Right. Well, that’s my point. On the way down we ordered a pickup grocery order. We got to the grocery store and popped the hatch. They loaded our cars with our groceries. We went to our condo on the 19th floor and had a full kitchen. And we went to the beach. You know, the beach, you can socially distance it. Sometimes I think the media misrepresents how crowded the beaches…

Mrs. Jones 10:16

I totally figured that out once we got there because like when you – when you’re watching the news, and they’re talking about the beaches being like overly crowded and people not socially distancing, it’s not really true. Because when I would look up the beach, I’d be like, holy smokes, but then I would look around me, I think the closest family to us would be like, what? 15 or 20 feet away?

Mr. Jones 10:37

Yeah. So you’re outside, you’re able to control the distance. We felt completely comfortable on the beach without a mask. The wind is blowing in. You’re far away from people. You know, we never felt – the only time I think we felt a little bit uncomfortable is when we got on the elevator. And people would get on the elevator without a mask. And that happened quite a few times down there, you know, and we didn’t go to bars. We went out to a restaurant once. And we tried

– we got an outdoor…

Mrs. Jones 11:10 Yeah, we sat outside.

Mr. Jones 11:11

…table. And we we actually had dinner with a couple of listeners that night, and we enjoyed the evening. And that was the only night. Right?

Mrs. Jones 11:22

That was the only night that we went out, yeah. Mr. Jones 11:23

Yeah. Then, I mean, this state is a hotspot. And we’re watching these people act like nothing is wrong, like nothing – it doesn’t exist. And no greater example can I think about – behind the resort, behind the condo we were in, they had a bar.

Mrs. Jones 11:45

Like on the walkway from the tower. We were in like a 22 story tower. So between there and the actual sand, the walkway had this like beach bar off of it.

Mr. Jones 11:55

And it had a pavilion roof on it.

Mrs. Jones 11:57

You’ve been waiting to tell the story for a week. [Laughs]

Mr. Jones 12:00

It was outdoor but it had a pavilion roof on it. And they did have tables – we chose a table that was off into the corner and not near anybody else.

Mrs. Jones 12:10

And actually, like the bar – they didn’t have table service at night – the bar itself, they had plexiglass up between you and the bartender – because I was a little worried about you going up there and ordering drinks, and you were like, um, they have the plexiglass.

Mr. Jones 12:22

Yeah, so I went up and got a couple drinks. Anyway. They’re doing Corona karaoke. And it’s, you know, we all know how this spreads right? And we know singing and yelling in close proximity with others is a way that it’s going to spread. This DJ had a handheld wireless microphone that he was literally passing from one person, and they would hold it, and they would sing into it, and they would hand it…

Mrs. Jones 12:35

Some of them were actually touching their face to the microphone.

Mr. Jones 12:58

Yes. There’s no doubt in my mind that several people that touched that microphone probably got sick.

Mrs. Jones 13:07 Oh, my goodness.

Mr. Jones 13:08

But I mean, you have to use some common sense. And – it was so sad, it was funny just to watch.

Mrs. Jones 13:16

First of all, Mr. Jones is ridiculous to go to karaoke with because he’s a music snob. And he makes fun of everybody. You don’t get up there and sing and you can actually sing. You don’t get up there and sing you just like to sit back in the corner, which we were doing, and just make fun of everybody. You’re so bad.

Mr. Jones 13:35

Yeah, but this added another layer.

Mrs. Jones 13:37

Oh, I know it did. I know it did.

Mr. Jones 13:39

Not only were they horrible singers…

Mrs. Jones 13:40

We both got pretty drunk that night.

Mr. Jones 13:42

We did. It was really entertaining.

Mrs. Jones 13:45

It was just a train wreck you couldn’t stop watching.

Mr. Jones 13:48

Then we watched people that like they had a grill out back behind this condo. And they were just – there was like three or four big groups of people out there and they were playing cornhole and they are cooking their burgers and, you know, then they offered us some and, you know, so there was things…

Mrs. Jones 14:04

Normally, in normal world, it would have been fantastic. And we’d have been right in the thick of it.

Mr. Jones 14:09

We would have been right there. But we carried our steaks around front where they had different grills and grilled our stuff and then carried it back up to the room. Which reminds me – so we had friends come up and visit us for an afternoon and evening too.

Mrs. Jones 14:22 We did.

Mr. Jones 14:23

And that was a lot of fun. But again, these were friends that we know. And that we had – actually we were supposed to have gotten together with them earlier in the year.

Mrs. Jones 14:32

They were supposed to come up our way.

Mr. Jones 14:34

And we postponed that.

Mrs. Jones 14:35

It was like in April. And you know, as soon as everything went all wonky in March, they were like, I think we’re gonna be rescheduling.

Mr. Jones 14:43

But in talking with them before, we knew that they were doing the same things regarding their health that we were doing. So we felt comfortable with them because we met them before and we’re friends with them.

Mrs. Jones 14:55

Right so they came up, like, they got to our condo like early afternoon and I was already out on the beach and I think you were back at the condo on a work call or something, so you were waiting for them and, and you brought them down the beach. And don’t you remember how weird it was?

Mr. Jones 15:10 Like to hug them?

Mrs. Jones 15:11

Yeah, I’m like, oh, I haven’t hugged anybody except my very immediate family in like three months, and now I’m hugging you.

Mr. Jones 15:21

You can’t even enjoy it. You can’t even enjoy.

Mrs. Jones 15:24

It was weird. Like, is this okay to do?

Mr. Jones 15:27

Yeah, if things are headed in the direction we hope, you’re gonna have to at least hug. But anyway, we -the four of us had, you know, dinner in our condo. And didn’t go to a restaurant, didn’t wander out.

Mrs. Jones 15:43

Yeah, you brought em some steaks, honey.

Mr. Jones 15:44

Yeah. And, you know, we were working. I mean, I worked a lot during the week. So you would go down to the beach. I mean, you were working too, but you were a little bit less – your schedule was more open and so…

Mrs. Jones 15:54

Well, my work is just work. You have phone calls and like, web x’s and all that stuff.

Mr. Jones 15:59

Yeah. But it was still good to get away from home, to get away from, you know, we have family living with us temporarily. So it was a great escape for you and I to connect.

Mrs. Jones 16:10

Is six months temporary?

Mr. Jones 16:12 Yeah.

Mrs. Jones 16:14

It doesn’t feel temporary.

Mr. Jones 16:15

Well, we know that there’s an end in sight. Because we have a lease agreement. But anyway, then our dilemma was we were coming home, and we were celebrating something – a big family event. And my parents were going to be there. So you know, we went and got tested.

Fortunately, our county was doing some testing. We were able to go through then and have the stuff jammed up our noses to get tested.

Mrs. Jones 16:44

Yeah, so we got through a test and actually I’m super super impressed with our Regional Health Department. Like, that was just like clockwork. We drove right up. Didn’t have to wait. There were two physicians working the line and like one came to my window on the passenger side and one came to yours and, you know, they said don’t fight me. And actually they had us hold our heads up against like the headrest on the seat. And that actually made it easier so that when they jammed it into the back of your brain, you had nowhere to go. Like, your head was trapped. And it was good. 48 hours later, we were both negative. Thank goodness.

Mr. Jones 17:23

So I think we managed it the best that we could. That was lesson number one. Lesson number two, we purposely made it a different type of vacation than normal. And we set our expectations to meet that.

Mrs. Jones 17:37

Right, so we weren’t frustrated or disappointed.

Mr. Jones 17:39

Right. And number three, you know, got tested when we got home. And we were clear. So that gives us confidence that it’s not all doom and gloom, you can go out, like we did, and take precautions and plan your trip and have a good time. So whether it’s the beach, or then we went out to dinner with some good friends locally.

Mrs. Jones 18:03

Yes. And it was so much fun.

Mr. Jones 18:05

Yeah, and got an outdoor table at a restaurant. And there was no play. It was reconnecting with great friends.

Mrs. Jones 18:13

No, we don’t live super close to each other. So we met halfway for dinner. So it kinda left us in limbo, but it’s just so good to start seeing humans again.

Mr. Jones 18:24

Yep. And we enjoyed that evening, made it through still alive. Then we just this past weekend, we went away for the weekend. We actually went to an airport, got on a plane and went away for the weekend, and flew home and are still healthy a week later. But, you know, again, these are friends that we know and that we trust. We stayed in their home.

Mrs. Jones 18:52

They’ve been laying low the past four months as well.

Mr. Jones 18:55

Yeah, we went out twice. We went out for appetizers one afternoon, and a restaurant that had social distancing. And we wore masks until we sat at the table. But mostly we ordered pizza in. He made us dinner one night.

Mrs. Jones 19:14

Yeah, we did go to a winery. They had a beautiful outdoor venue. They had live music. And the wine tastings were different. That was weird. You just got like a little cardboard box with four plastic glasses, of four wines and then there was a little paper underneath explaining which wine was which. So they weren’t doing in-person tastings, which was different, but it was better than

nothing. I’m telling you what, it was exciting to get back out to a winery. Like our winery here in in Virginia, they’re not doing tastings. You can only buy glasses.

Mr. Jones 19:51

And we played a lot of cornhole.

Mrs. Jones 19:54

Oh, we did play cornhole.

Mr. Jones 19:57

Oh and we did go to a brunch. That was fun. So – and of course, we had lots of sexy fun with them. So it was a great weekend. Yeah.

Mrs. Jones 20:06

Yeah, sexy fun is putting it mildly.

Mr. Jones 20:09 Yeah, two nights!

Mrs. Jones 20:10

Like this Corona virus pent up frustration of not being able to live the typical life. Yeah, you just take it out on people when you get to interact with them finally.

Mr. Jones 20:22

Yes. And I think they were doing the same thing. Like the first night, we didn’t even talk about it.

Mrs. Jones 20:28 We just did it.

Mr. Jones 20:29

We tried to play the dumb card game, I think, was that the first night?

Mrs. Jones 20:33

Yeah, that was the first night. No…

Mr. Jones 20:34 No.

Mrs. Jones 20:35

That was the second night. Mr. Jones 20:35

We were all standing downstairs and I walked up behind her and I put my arms around her and she said, I think we should just go upstairs. It was a pretty quick transition. And I think the four of us really had a lot to get out of our systems.

Mrs. Jones 20:49 Yes.

Mr. Jones 20:49

So it was a lot of – it was a frenzy, but it was a lot of fun.

Mrs. Jones 20:55 Yeah. [Sighing]

Mr. Jones 20:56

Yeah. So anyway, we made it home from that and we’re still well. So, you know, we’re starting to get back out. And again, if we would have come home and been sick, we would not have blamed anybody. So, you know, if you’re going to go out, you’re accepting the level of risk. If you don’t want to get sick, if you don’t want to risk it, you got to stay home. You can’t have it both ways. You can’t go out and then get sick and then blame other people for getting sick.

Mrs. Jones 21:24

Right. At the end of the day, you have to say, Well, I guess I shouldn’t have done that. You can’t start pointing fingers, which is just, it’s immature, and it’s just not accepting responsibility for your own actions.

Mr. Jones 21:38

Yeah. So if you’re familiar with Richard and Lauren, reach out to them, and fortunately, a lot of people have. And I think they feel like they’re getting some support. And it’s just hard for me to imagine a Desire trip without them there because their workshop is so amazing and it’s very sensual and very heartfelt and they put themselves into it and they’re not Desire employees.

You know, they do this for free. They don’t tell a lot of people that, but we can tell people that.

Mrs. Jones 22:05 They work for tips.

Mr. Jones 22:06

They work for tips, you know, and…

Mrs. Jones 22:08

So many couples say, you know, that experience was just transformational. They learn so many things about their partner and themselves and especially if you’re new to the lifestyle, it’s, you know, you don’t interact with other couples in that, but you’re right next to other couples having these amazing experiences. It’s so sensual.

Mr. Jones 22:31

Yeah, well, hopefully Desire will do the right thing. And we know, we’ve been doing business with Desire for a few years too. It’s frustrating. And they definitely have a different mindset.

Mrs. Jones 22:40

Well, you you learn it’s a different culture. It’s a different work ethic. It’s just, it’s just different. And I think it can be very frustrating for Americans because we approach things, you know, differently as business people.

Mr. Jones 22:55

Yeah. So Richard and Lauren, hang in there. We hope that when we come down next month, we’ll see you.

Mrs. Jones 23:00 Yes.

Mr. Jones 23:03

But anyway, that pretty much brings you up to date with what’s been going on with us. And I’m just so proud of the fact that we have something to talk about that we actually did this past month.

Mrs. Jones 23:13

I’m relieved. I feel like I’m not gonna lose my mind after all.

Mr. Jones 23:17

But you know, the bigger picture is the United States is not out of the woods. Far from it.

Mrs. Jones 23:23 No, it’s a hot mess.

Mr. Jones 23:24

So as you re-engage with life, just be safe. You know, be smart about it.

Mrs. Jones 23:32

Don’t take anything for granted.

Mr. Jones 23:33

Yeah, don’t go to either extreme. I mean, you can’t go out and pretend like it’s not real. But then again, you can’t stay in your basement and live the rest of your life there. We’ve got to learn how to manage this, and we’ve got to learn how to re-engage. So best of luck to you all. I’m doing that. So when we come back, we’ll explain a little bit more about this little game that we’re gonna play tonight.

Mrs. Jones 23:57 We’re playing a game?

Mr. Jones 23:58

I never imagined I would…

Mrs. Jones 23:59

I thought you thought all games were dumb.

Mr. Jones 24:00

Yeah, well hopefully this one isn’t. But I agree. Okay, we’ll be right back. [Music]

Mrs. Jones 24:24

Welcome back to segment two. I never imagined I would ever…

Mr. Jones 24:30

Yeah. Yeah, we, when we first, if you remember, Mrs. Jones when you and I first started talking about trying this lifestyle, it seemed pretty daggone crazy.

Mrs. Jones 24:43 No.

Mr. Jones 24:44 Yeah. I mean,

Mrs. Jones 24:46

Like for 20 years you would say someday when we have a threesome and I would just giggle, and in my mind I’m like he is absolutely out of his mind.

Mr. Jones 24:54

Yeah, I mean, we thought whoever’s doing this, these people are not normal. Matter of fact they might be a little weird.

Mrs. Jones 25:01

Yeah, they’re crazy. They’re irresponsible. Bla bla bla bla bla bla bla. I mean, I could just have gone off my high horse.

Mr. Jones 25:09

But for some reason, it still seemed compelling and a little bit exciting. But we never imagined that we’d be doing a lot of the things that we understood and heard that other people did when we listened to lifestyle podcasts at that time.

Mrs. Jones 25:28

Well, yeah, I mean, I remember eating dinner, listening to podcasts. And like, I remember like, my eyes must be, you know, as big around as saucers like looking across the table at you listening to, like crazy shenanigans on these lifestyle podcasts that we would listen to and I’m like, there is no way in hell I’m goint to do anything like that.

Mr. Jones 25:53

Yeah. You know, so having – I think the idea of sex, like having sex with other people, that overly influenced our perception of what the lifestyle really had to offer. And I think that’s very common. It definitely is for people who are non lifestyle and you talk to them about it that this idea of sex with other people just, it’s in the forefront and it clouds everything.

Mrs. Jones 26:20

Well, it’s the only thing you think of, because that’s the only thing you know of. When you don’t really, when you’ve never experienced the environment before.

Mr. Jones 26:29

Right. Yeah, some of the things we said that we heard about, we said, we’ll never do that. Some things we said, we have absolutely – not only will we never do that, I just don’t have an interest in doing that. And, you know, we’ll just leave those kinds of things for those weird people.

Because we’re normal. So we almost – and we almost let that perception scare us away from trying this.

Mrs. Jones 26:58

Right. I almost canceled our first trip to Desire because I found out what Desire was, you know, well, not what it’s really about because Desire’s about a sexy vibe. And a place where you can explore your own fantasies, whatever they may be. And sometimes those fantasies involve other people. But a lot of times they don’t.

Mr. Jones 27:20

Right. But you remember when we came home after we did all of that in our first trip, and we thought, what in the world are we doing? Like that was vacation. When our plane landed back in normalville and we went back to real life, it was like, did that really happen? That was vacation. You know, that was a one time thing, maybe. Do we really want to do this? And are we really those kind of people? You know, so there was a lot to noodle through.

Mrs. Jones 27:46 No kidding.

Mr. Jones 27:47

So tonight, what we’re gonna do is we’re each going to go back and forth a little bit about things that we each never imagined or never thought that we would do. Or say. And then we also asked for, we put this out on Twitter. And we also put it out in our private member’s community.

And we got quite a bit of feedback. So we’re going to share what other couples have said about things that they never said that they would do.

Mrs. Jones 28:16

Right. Because – y’all know, Mr. Jones and I have been in lifestyle for like, six years now. But, you know, we got feedback from all levels of experience, I guess, so it’s interesting to hear what people have to say, whether they’re at the beginning of their journey or far into their journey.

Mr. Jones 28:37

Right. And a lot of this sounds funny now, looking back, like, the first thing that I think about was, I never imagined that I would be having sex with another woman because like you just said earlier, my focus was on you. And I’m like, I want you to be with another – I want to watch you with another woman. Or I just want – so…

Mrs. Jones 29:00

So you didn’t want to watch me with another man?

Mr. Jones 29:02

Well, you know, that was intriguing, but I never seriously thought you would do that. So – but it never – It never entered my mind. Like, I didn’t think I want to get into the lifestyle because I want to have sex with another woman. It just it didn’t enter my mind. So that’s one thing that I thought.

Mrs. Jones 29:22

I never imagined I would ever want to do it for myself.

Mr. Jones 29:30

Oh, right. That kind of fits with mine.

Mrs. Jones 29:32

Yeah, because I – you did not drag me into this by any means. You were the first one to consider it a possibility. When I found out what was going on at Desire, that we were going to end up walking into, you know, my first inclination was to retreat. And you were like, no, no, let’s check it out. Let’s learn more about it. Let’s see what it’s like. And let’s just go and be flies on the wall. So I agreed to that. And then – but so I never – so as I started, like mentally putting myself in that position, I was doing it – I don’t want this to come off the wrong way. I wasn’t doing it to please you. But you were like the driving force behind like pleasing you and fulfilling your fantasy was the driving force behind my decision. I want that to be clear. It was my decision, not yours, to engage in it. And then once I did it, I was like, well, that was fun. And it didn’t ruin my marriage and Mr. Jones thinks that was pretty hot that I just did that. And wow.

Mr. Jones 30:51

Another thing that I never imagined was that we’d build so many friendships, and this includes pants on and pants off friends, because I didn’t understand what a friendship could be. So what I mean by that is we had a lot of air quote friends and friendships. A couple of them were really close, but most of them were just friends. And we understood friendships to be people who we lived near, that were parents of our kids friends, that we went to church with, that we live next door to, that we worked with, and it was a friendship out of convenience and geography, and they were people that were our age, and we had a lot of things in common like the things that we did. And I thought, for the most part, that’s how friendships were, and now I did have a couple of really – we had a couple of really close couple friends But we had cultivated those relationships over a lifetime. And my perception was at that time that that’s what true friends were. But we got into the lifestyle and started to realize we could talk to people about everything. And if you can talk to people about sex, you can talk to them about anything and the friendships all of a sudden were that much richer.

Mrs. Jones 32:27

Well, I yes, I agree. Because nothing’s off the table with lifestyle friends, you know, so it’s a nice complement to the vanilla friends you have, because we have friends that you’ve known since elementary school. And we have friends that, I mean, our kids grew up together. We just have this really rich wonderful history with them. And those friendships are very dear to our hearts.

But you take that and you blend it with that these amazing lifestyle friendships we have, which are obviously shorter term. But there’s, like you said, there’s nothing that we can’t talk about with them. And it’s just – the commonality of something so internal, like your sexual desires and fantasies, it’s just, it’s so internal and to just be able to take a breath and let that out and trust people, because, you know, they have the same types of fantasies, maybe not the exact same fantasies, but that same level of this deep, like, crazy, kinky, I could never do that, oh, wait, maybe I could do that.

Mr. Jones 33:41

Right. Yeah, I want to clarify something just like you did before to make sure I’m not misunderstood. We have core friends that we’ve had for 10 or 20 or 30 or 40 years. And I’m not, I’m not suggesting that those friends who we’re still friends with are any less important than lifestyle friendships. What I’m saying is that we have the concentric circles beyond our core friends are pretty much gone. And we have more close friends in the lifestyle than we had beyond our core friends in life.

Mrs. Jones 34:24

Yes, the friends we had on the periphery, because of connections through, you know, kids sports or whatever, those have kind of faded away and been replaced by lifestyle friends. That inner circle of relationships that we’ve had for years and years are still just as important as ever. So like when you get in the lifestyle, it’s not you’re in or you’re out, you know, you can take various aspects of your life and you can blend them all together. It’s just what we never imagined with this whole little game that I can never remember the full name of, I never

imagined I would ever develop lifestyle friendships so quickly and have them be so authentic. It’s the speed at which you can develop this level of trust and closeness. It’s very surprising.

Mr. Jones 35:21

But some of the friends – some of those surface level friends that we had before were consuming a lot of our lives and a lot of our times and now that’s been replaced with people who we deeply care about who care about us. Yeah. So that’s something that I just never understood would happen.

Mrs. Jones 35:42

Like our friends that we that we met halfway for dinner a couple weeks ago. You know, we’ve known them for what, five, six years now? Yeah, it was our – it was like our friend-aversary. So we’ve known them for six years. And, you know, I feel like we’ve known them forever. It kind of feels like we grew up together because we’re all almost the exact same age and, you know, we’ve watched our kids, like, grow up, you know, their kids are a little bit younger than ours, so we’ve watched their kids like graduate from high school and college and develop relationships and we’ve watched, you know, them evolve in the lifestyle and they’ve watched us evolve in the lifestyle and it’s been really a cool journey.

Mr. Jones 36:22

Right. I never imagined that I could learn things new about you after 29 years of marriage. Because after that many years, you really know somebody. But watching you with other men and women and watching you express yourself in different ways, and watching you develop deep friendships with men, not just sexual but friendships with men. I’ve seen a part of you that I didn’t know and never imagined was there.

Mrs. Jones 37:04

Yeah, I totally agree with you. I mean, and I could, like, totally do the flip side of that. It’s just been really interesting. And like, the whole me developing friendships with men, like, I’m left brain. I was a mathematician, now I’m an accountant. You know, I’m a numbers person, like, Excel spreadsheets are sexy. Like, that works for me.

Mr. Jones 37:30 Whatever.

Mrs. Jones 37:31

And a lot of men are the same way. So it’s just, it’s fun. And I’m allowed to do that, like, sometimes with our groups of vanilla friends that we used to hang out with, maybe not in that core circle, you know, I would get stuck in the kitchen with the ladies. And I like to cook actually. I’m pretty good cook. But I’m not really a Pinterest girl and I’m definitely not a bunco girl.

Mr. Jones 38:00

Well, you’re on Pinterest now, but that’s your cocktail recipes.

Mrs. Jones 38:03

Right. I’m just not that girl and not a girly girl. I’m not a tomboy, but like, I’m just I’m a numbers person. And I tend to, like relate to career paths of men, I guess, more so than myself. And I’m allowed to do that now, and I’m not judged. You know, like, why is Mrs. Jones in the room with all the guys? She should be here talking about the latest brownie recipe or whatever. And I’m not slighting women that are like that. That’s just not me.

Mr. Jones 38:34

Right. Right. I never imagined that being in the lifestyle would help us to become a stronger team of two.

Mrs. Jones 38:44

Yeah, we’re pretty formidable.

Mr. Jones 38:45

Yeah. Because everything that we’ve experienced together, we have fought through together and I think it’s our relationship that we were both fighting for. So that was a neutral – you know, it wasn’t you or it wasn’t me. It was what we had together.

Mrs. Jones 39:01

Well, when I start to doubt myself, I can shake it off so easily because I’m like, no, Mr. Jones is like the smartest person I know. And we made this decision together. So therefore, you know, it’s not me doubting myself, it’s me doubting our relationship, which I’m not going to do. So it just gives me so much more, I don’t know, courage, I think, because I trust you and I know how smart you are. And I know, you’re not only smart, you’re very wise. And whenever I doubt myself, I don’t have to because you’ve got my back and I’ve got your back. And if you think it’s okay, and I think it’s okay, then it must be okay for us.

Mr. Jones 39:52

Right, right. Yeah, so through that we’ve been able to trust our relationship much more and we already trusted it, but it’s really…

Mrs. Jones 40:01

Well, you know, I think we used to, I think we used to bicker more about stuff. Now I think we just – it’s kind of like, we just take our medicine and swallow it. And we know, okay, whatever it is, whether it’s related to money or whether it’s related to lifestyle stuff, or business stuff or whatever, we know that, okay, it is what it is, you and I have, like, created this path that we’re on, and we just stick with it. Because we trust each other. I mean, if I can trust you, we say this is kind of cliche, but it’s not. If I can trust you with other people in bed, and I don’t have to worry about where your head is – I know where your body is, and I know what your body’s doing. I know your body’s liking it, but I always know where your head is. Your head is with me.

Mr. Jones 40:57 Right.

Mrs. Jones 40:58

And I don’t ever have to, like, take a step back and wonder about that. I just pound my fist on the table and I’m like, I’m okay. Because we’re okay. And I, you know, I think it takes not only a long time in a relationship, you know, like, we were at a workshop in Austin with Catherine, pre COVID, which seems like decades ago, but it was just a few months ago. And she was talking about having to experience something 30 times before you trust that the outcome is always going to be the same. So I think that’s where experience in the lifestyle serves you well.

Mr. Jones 41:43

Right. I would agree. And it wouldn’t be – I guess I need to say one thing about the podcast because I never imagined our podcasts would become such a big part of other people’s lives.

Mrs. Jones 41:57

Right. I thought it was just gonna be this stupid little file on the internet somewhere that a few people will listen to. I remember our first month we had 37 people listen to our first episode. And I was like, Oh my gosh, 37 people have listened to us talk about having sex with other people. That was craziness.

Mr. Jones 42:19

Yeah. So before we get into any of some of the feedback from our friends and our listeners, our community members, do you have any other thing that you…

Mrs. Jones 42:30

I never imagined I would be so self confident at this age, you know, when we, of course, I mean, six years is a long time but in the scheme of your, you know, in the span of your life, it’s really not a long time. But, you know, we knew we were kind of on the upper echelon of age when we got into the lifestyle and of course, six more years has marched by and It’s hard to be confident when you’re, you know, you’re literally baring yourself to other people. And it’s really not that difficult. You just kind of – you truly learn to own who you are. And, you know, I didn’t really worry about the COVID five that I gained over the past few months when we were with our friends last weekend, because I know they like me for who I am. And it’s not really, you know, it’s not really any one thing about a person that makes you attractive or unattractive. And, and I’ve, I’m pleasantly surprised at how I can power through that and not let the little things about myself and my body that I don’t like, get in the way. I would have never imagined I would be capable of that.

Mr. Jones 43:54

Right. And I think a lot of people experience that. It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s age. Just means, you know, you’re with somebody for X number of years. You never imagined you would be opening yourself up to other people and having that be nude in front of other people or

having sex with other people. And that’s a mind blowing thing to think about, because as a woman or a man, you’re exposing yourself and that’s something you never thought you would ever be doing or want to do or have to do in the future.

Mrs. Jones 44:31

I also never imagined I would ever be cussing on the internet.

Mr. Jones 44:37

You’re getting better at it.

Mrs. Jones 44:38

I know, I’m better at it than you are, I think.

Mr. Jones 44:40

I think so too. Well, people like to hear you cuss. I think Mrs. Jones cussing is sexy. Me it’s just obnoxious.

Mrs. Jones 44:49 Whatever.

Mr. Jones 44:52

Okay, well, let’s start to share some of what some of our friends have shared with us and see if this resonates with you all. We never imagined we would care and connect at the level we have with lifestyle friends. And the conversations we’ve had about those connections have brought us closer together.

Mrs. Jones 45:12

Yeah. I mean, I think that that’s what we just talked about.

Mr. Jones 45:15

Yeah. As a woman, I’d say feeling comfortable in my own skin, when I’m literally surrounded by beautiful people inside and out, is never something I thought would happen. But here I am. And I think that’s echoing what you just said.

Mrs. Jones 45:31

Yeah. Right. And, you know, when I look around, like, gosh, especially if you’re at Desire, you know, because you’re out at the pool and people are mostly naked. You know, even if you have swimsuits on you’re showing a lot. And you look around and there’s all these beautiful people. I’m like, Well, here I am. Love me or leave me. And then all of a sudden it’s okay. And the whole beautiful inside and out thing is mind blowing. You know, I’ve met the kindest, most

warm-spirited, authentic people in the lifestyle. Mr. Jones 46:08

I think I have a bit of an advantage because I know where some of these came from. And the woman who shared this is a lot younger than us, and she’s very beautiful herself. So we assume that when we see somebody like that, that they shouldn’t have these issues. But what we’re learning is it doesn’t freakin matter. Male, female, age, size, you know, every, almost everybody suffers or goes through the same thing about learning how to feel comfortable in your own skin.

Mrs. Jones 46:44

Yep. The next one is, we never imagined how well our love and communication with each other would grow as a result of being in the lifestyle. And we never imagined we would meet so many laid back, fun, intelligent and beautiful people inside and out.

Mr. Jones 47:01

There’s that word again, inside and out. And I think, you know, there was a lot that I didn’t include in here because we kept seeing communication, relationship, and, you know, meeting beautiful people inside and out. It was it was a common thread through there. I never imagined we would ever take a picture of us naked and share it with people we had not met yet.

Mrs. Jones 47:28

I like the last word. Yet.

Mr. Jones 47:31

I mean, it’s what – I mean, think about that. Not only are we taking pictures of each other now, but we’re putting – we’re sending them to people we don’t really know or we’re sharing them in our community. With Lord knows how many people, you know, are out there, and people are doing this all the time. So yeah, that’s mind blowing to think about.

Mrs. Jones 47:54

I never would have imagined that my triggers in the lifestyle are rarely sex related. That our non lifestyle friends would be excited for us when we told them about what we do. And that the people we have met in the lifestyle are such a large part of our everyday lives. So let’s back up and tear that one apart a little bit. That my triggers in the lifestyle are rarely sex related. So in other words, this person, I don’t know who this is, but this person isn’t obviously concerned about how big, if this is a guy, like how big his dick is compared to somebody else’s dick.

Mr. Jones 48:33 It is a guy

Mrs. Jones 48:33

It is a guy? Okay, well, I love you. I’m sorry. I don’t know who you are. But, you know, and that’s the same thing with me. Like, my triggers are usually something that doesn’t have to do a sex. It’s more relational. That something doesn’t like feel right. And that was your very first trigger. I held that guy’s hand.

Mr. Jones 48:57 Yes.

Mrs. Jones 48:57

On a beach bed and it was just an empathetic gesture.

Mr. Jones 49:00 Yes.

Mrs. Jones 49:01

And it literally flipped your lid and you had no idea.

Mr. Jones 49:05

And there could be other things – there could be – he could be referring to just my wife off without me having a conversation with another man.

Mrs. Jones 49:12

Yeah. And then you look around and like where is she? Who is she with?

Mr. Jones 49:14

Completely dressed. Or it could be my wife dancing on the dance floor with somebody who can dance when I’ve never thought I’m a good dancer.

Mrs. Jones 49:23

Oh, was this you know?

Mr. Jones 49:28

You take that back. I’m a better dancer. Now.

Mrs. Jones 49:31

You’re a really good dancer with two shots of tequila.

Mr. Jones 49:34

Yeah, but to his point, I think that we assume that if I’m gonna have a problem with this, it’s gonna be the sex part of it. And it’s not necessarily the sex part of it.

Mrs. Jones 49:45

Right. It’s the other stuff that catches you off guard. Yeah. Okay, so the second part says that our non lifestyle friends would be excited for us when we told them about what we do. Like, oh my god, like these people are amazing. So they were able to tell their vanilla friends. And it was okay.

Mr. Jones 50:03

Yeah. So that means they picked some good friends to begin with.

Mrs. Jones 50:06

Yeah, no kidding. I mean, we’ve done that with success.

Mr. Jones 50:09 Yes, we have.

Mrs. Jones 50:10

But we are probably less willing or…

Mr. Jones 50:15

Well, there’s a difference between telling people and then people finding out. They’ve purposely, you know, told people that they care about and that they want to share this way. That’s not the same thing as…

Mrs. Jones 50:28

It sounds like it’s gone well. I mean, that’s fantastic.

Mr. Jones 50:31 Yes.

Mrs. Jones 50:32

Okay. And then the last part was that the people we have met in the lifestyle are such a large part of our everyday lives. I mean, so the key word there is everyday lives, you know

Mr. Jones 50:44 Even through COVID.

Mrs. Jones 50:45

Right. I mean, I think it’s cool that, you know, once you figure out this lifestyle stuff, and what you want out of it as a couple, it doesn’t – the firewall doesn’t have to be quite as high. You know, you can kind of start taking various aspects of your lives and letting them blend together a little bit. And allowing these new people that you meet to become an actual important part of your life.

Mr. Jones 51:12

Right. This next one is from friends who are in our community. I never would have imagined finding the number of amazing people we have met in this community. And then I never would have imagined some of them becoming our very closest friends.

Mrs. Jones 51:25 Isn’t that cool?

Mr. Jones 51:26 Yeah. Absolutely.

Mrs. Jones 51:29

I know. That makes me feel really happy. You know, that people are joining our community and then they’re meeting these like people that they’re really connecting with. I mean, I think we have people in our community that have gone on vacation together, like family vacation together. With their families.

Mr. Jones 51:44

Yes. Right. We got a picture today of four of them together.

Mrs. Jones 51:48

I know. Slightly jealous. Yeah.

Mr. Jones 51:54

I never would have imagined getting married in front of a bunch of lifestyle friends and being able to speak and hear the true vows we made to one another.

Mrs. Jones 52:03

I know exactly who this is. And we couldn’t go, cuz I think we were on – we were on a family vacation with our whole family. And we couldn’t go to the wedding. But we got a video. It was amazing.

Mr. Jones 52:18

He proposed to her on one of our video casts. And then they invited a lot of people from our community to go to their wedding – to the ceremony.

Mrs. Jones 52:27 Right and I mean…

Mr. Jones 52:29

A lot of people went.

Mrs. Jones 52:30

The couple that stood up for them were lifestyle friend.

Mr. Jones 52:33 Yeah. Isn’t that cool?

Mrs. Jones 52:34

Yeah. What a great love story. I never imagined finding some of my best friends in the community. And I never imagined we would have the openness and ability to talk to each other the way we can now. I think that’s really key.

Mr. Jones 52:50

Yeah. That it’s not just communication. It’s the openness and ability to talk to each other the way we can now. So it’s not like we didn’t communicate before or they didn’t communicate before.

But the way we communicate now is much different. It’s a different level. It’s a different level of respect. It’s a different level of trust. And it’s just different than the way were able to communicate.

Mrs. Jones 53:16

I think what it is, is when you have something going through your mind, you don’t have to weigh it as much anymore. Like when something comes up in your mind, and you want to share it with your partner be like, Oh, he might think I’m weird, or he’s not gonna like that. Or he’s gonna wonder why I’m fantasizing about that, or why I want to try that. You know, now, I think we’ve done so many crazy things together we never anticipated, like if something’s on my mind, now, I can just bring it up over dinner. Because it’s just something else. That’s kind of all part of this journey we’re on now.

Mr. Jones 53:54

Right, right. And this last one from this person is, in a way it’s bittersweet, because she says, I never imagined I would feel sexy. And on the one hand, it’s a reminder that, and I know this woman and she’s very beautiful. It’s pretty obvious to see for me. But you know, for her not to think that she is is sad in a way but it’s also really sweet that now she’s beginning to feel that way about herself.

Mrs. Jones 54:33

Yeah. And this is a theme that’s gonna come up in more as we keep reading, but, you know, the whole I never imagined I would feel sexy. That’s a byproduct of becoming a mom and becoming a career employee and, you know, and being motivated by work and by, you know, just life responsibilities. The whole sexy part – like we talked about our last episode, the sexy part is the easiest thing to put on pause when you are overwhelmed with life’s responsibilities.

Mr. Jones 55:07

Some common themes in this next one, but a little bit new. So, it’s crazy that we have developed such close friendships sometimes with people who haven’t even met yet. We’ve heard that. That we communicate with each other and with others so much more effectively and productively than before. So not only are they saying they communicate better with each other, but their friends, they communicate more effectively with their friends. And finally, that we can be our authentic selves. And in doing so we grow as individuals, not just as a couple, but in many aspects of our lives.

Mrs. Jones 55:39 Yeah, I like that.

Mr. Jones 55:41

Yeah. I never imagined with how carefully and cautiously we came up with rules and boundaries, that we would have changed them the way that we have in just a short period of time.

Mrs. Jones 55:53

Well, I think that’s really good. First of all, they took the time to come up with a set of rules and boundaries to protect their relationship. And then, as they explored the lifestyle and had experiences, they were able to come back together as a couple and amend them accordingly. You know, and it doesn’t say they’re doing crazier shit than they were a year ago or whatever. I mean, maybe they dialed some stuff back and maybe pushed some boundaries forward. You know, I think that’s fantastic. And then the next couple says, I never imagined I would love my husband more than I already do. That love grows even more every damn day. Yeah, I get that sister. I’m with yah. I mean, enough said.

Mr. Jones 56:42

Actually, these are all from the same person. So why don’t you just read the rest of them.

Mrs. Jones 56:46

Okay. I never imagined I would find this confident, sexy woman buried under all that other crap life throws at you. And I never imagined I’d love her as much as I do. I love that. Yeah, finding yourself again. Sometimes I think we lose ourselves. And then she goes on to say, I never imagined sharing sexy pics with a huge group of people I’ve mostly never met. Yeah, that’s scary and titillating at the same time. And it’s hard to find that tipping point where you want to stay, you know, relatively safe, but at the same time, you want to put yourself out there. It’s a pretty awesome empowering feeling. And then finally, she says, I never imagined my husband would look at me like that. That is awesome.

Mr. Jones 57:37

Yeah, and we know what that is. That look. I never imagined we would fuck our friends and have so much fun doing it. You know it’s true. Couldn’t leave that one out.

Mrs. Jones  57:51 No, that one’s perfect.

Mr. Jones 57:53

Yeah. This was a – here are some that we got from Twitter, and this one’s pretty short, and very succinct and very meaningful. I never thought we would grow a family.

Mrs. Jones 58:08

That’s pretty cool.

Mr. Jones 58:09

Yep. So these are, you know, normally you don’t get to choose your family. But in the lifestyle, you know…

Mrs. Jones 58:17

We kinda become family. We really do.

Mr. Jones 58:19 You kinda do.

Mrs. Jones 58:21

And then the next one says, I never thought I could ever have sex with another man, much less play with another woman. I also never thought the two of us would ever be a full swap couple. So, never say never?

Mr. Jones 58:33 Never say never.

Mrs. Jones 58:34 Never say never.

Mr. Jones 58:35

You never know. This next one’s from a her. And she says, I never thought that I’d have sex with another woman.

Mrs. Jones 58:45

I can relate to that one. Now, I’m like, damn, I wasted 50 years.

Mr. Jones 58:51

Well, you’re making up for lost time.

Mrs. Jones 58:52

Yeah. And then the next one says I never thought we’d play separate and enjoy it.

Mr. Jones 58:58

Yeah, we still haven’t done that. We never thought we would each receive so much pleasure from watching one another be pleasured by other people or feel the energy that transpires in that act.

Mrs. Jones 59:13

You know, that’s one of those things that you just have to experience. You can say that all day long and people are like, yeah, all right. They’re rolling their eyes and like you crazy people. It’s true.

Mr. Jones 59:26

Yeah. And and I think that last sentence really, really hammers home what you just said, because it’s easy for people to say, Oh, I want to see my spouse with somebody else. And I know I’m gonna like it. That may or may not be the case. But when you talk about the energy that transpires in that act, as this person said, you have no idea what that’s like. Because it can be overwhelming. It can be really exciting. You know, there’s just the sound and the sights and the sweat and the smells and everything that is going on – it is an energy within itself that we had never experienced before.

Mrs. Jones 1:00:12

Yep. And then I never thought that it would bring us this much closer as a couple. We never thought it would have improved our everyday lives, even outside of our marriage and communication with everyone, everywhere.

Mr. Jones 1:00:25

That’s right. So it’s family, it’s colleagues, employees, bosses, neighbors, you know, anybody that you’re coming in contact with, you’re finding that you’re communicating in a different way.

Mrs. Jones 1:00:40

I swear, I’ve talked to so many people in the pool at Desire about our careers, whatever those careers may be. And people have said how engagement in lifestyle has changed the way they approach their career.

Mr. Jones 1:00:54 Yes.

Mrs. Jones 1:00:55

You know, because they see things in a broader fashion now. Things are not black and white, that things are never black and white in the lifestyle, and most of the time, they’re not black and white at work. We make them so. And maybe when you go to training, you’re taught that it’s that way. But it’s not.

Mr. Jones 1:01:13

We had somebody one time, who’s in the law enforcement field tell us that since he’s been in the lifestyle, he sees people that he interacts with at work each as humans. You know, I mean, imagine that, if you’re in law enforcement, and that’s kind of what our country is going through now.

Mrs. Jones 1:01:33

That’s exactly what we’re going through now.

Mr. Jones 1:01:35

To see whoever it is that you’re interacting with or are engaged as a human. That was powerful, that the lifestyle, you know, has brought that level of empathy and understanding to somebody. I never thought I would take so much pleasure in watching my wife enjoying other people. I think most men outside the lifestyle can’t even fathom that. Because I couldn’t initially. Yeah, right.

Mrs. Jones 1:02:03

How do you feel about that one?

Mr. Jones 1:02:10

Watching my wife enjoying other people – you know that’s something that was kind of a neutral experience at first, but…

Mrs. Jones 1:02:20

Well, you wanted me – so if we like go in a little time capsule back six years, you wanted me to play with another woman. How did it feel when all of a sudden I looked over at her husband and I’m like, oh, there’s a tasty treat. And I started playing with him.

Mr. Jones 1:02:38

Yeah, it was like – it was a neutral feeling. It didn’t bother me. And it didn’t energize me. I was kind of a curiosity, like, okay, how am I gonna respond to this? And am I gonna think this is hot or not? And really what it changed was when we got back together and had sex, it was crazy. It was like I was reclaiming you from somebody. But okay, if I’m gonna flash all the way forward to this past weekend, I was watching you with a guy who, I mean, I’m comfortable enough in my own skin as a man to say, this guy’s in shape. He takes care of himself.

Mrs. Jones 1:03:25 Yes, he does.

Mr. Jones 1:03:26

He’s younger than me. He has, you know, a fantastic physique.

Mrs. Jones 1:03:32

He’s just a beautiful creature.

Mr. Jones 1:03:34 Yes,

Mrs. Jones 1:03:34

Yes, he is. And, it’s one of those inside and out things, which makes him even more attractive.

Mr. Jones 1:03:40

And I have to say when I looked over at one point in time, and he was standing and kneeling on a footstool, and you were on your knees and you were – you had him in your mouth. And it was sexy. It was a sexy look to see my wife with a guy like that and to see he is so attracted to you. You know, that makes me feel like, yeah, damn, that’s right, she’s my wife. And yeah she’s not as young as she used to be, but you’re attracted to her and you’re having fun with her. And that turns me on. So it was, you know, and, I also know at this point in time that more of our experiences have been hit or miss for you than they have been for me. As far as guys that you connect with.

Mrs. Jones 1:04:36

That’s probably true. Yeah.

Mr. Jones 1:04:38

So when I see you enjoying yourself and not really worried about what I’m doing, you’re having so much fun that it just makes me relax and I can have a good time and not worry about is everything going okay over there.

Mrs. Jones 1:04:53

Yeah, I can totally see that. You know, it’s funny because I’m going off on a tangent here and we have more things to read, but one of the things we joked about last weekend – we were with this couple that you’re referring to is, you know, he, he asked the question, I guess I don’t know if it was the first night we were there, about if we like to watch – have porn on the TV while we were having sex with them. And I was like, eh, I just think it’s a distraction. You know, and I think I was kind of a buzzkill. Because, like, porn just doesn’t really do it for me. So most of the porn – most not all – is so unrealistic. I just don’t have the time of day for it. And I think it was actually the – I think it was a second night we played with them. He and I finished first. And he actually went got like towels and washcloths and cleaned us all up and and we were kind of – they have this like huge sectional sofa thing, and he and I were on one side of it and You two were still going to town. You haven’t come up for air at all. So he came back and he and I were cuddling And we were both laying on our sides kind of spooned together. And we were watching the two of you. And I looked at him and I’m like, that is the kind of porn I like to watch. It’s got to be live, and it’s got to have my husband in it, and his sexy wife was not painful to look at at all because she is ridiculously beautiful.

Mr. Jones 1:06:23

So you’re saying, I’m your personal porn star?

Mrs. Jones 1:06:25

Yes, you are, honey. So, you know, I think that just watching – that compersion thing. Like I wasn’t the least bit jealous. I was just like, oh my god, I get to actually like lay here. I wasn’t glad he and I were finished, although he and I finished very well.

Mr. Jones 1:06:43 That was your fault.

Mrs. Jones 1:06:43

We were – you know, this whole COVID thing has a little bit of pent up energy inside of me. And I might not have, like, listened to him when he said back off for a minute.

Mr. Jones 1:06:55

Listen to him? He was trying to physically push you away.

Mrs. Jones 1:06:58

Yes, I think I might have gotten like a palm in my forehead. Yeah. Sorry, not sorry. But anyway, because I was greedy and we finished early, I mean, I got to enjoy watching you and, you know, never would I have ever thought that my favorite porn would have been watching you six feet away from me like, fucking another incredibly beautiful woman that I care deeply about. I mean, she’s my friend. And it was amazing.

Mr. Jones 1:07:32 Isn’t that amazing?

Mrs. Jones 1:07:33 Go figure.

Mr. Jones 1:07:33

No competition there. This one hits home for us. Understanding that sexiness is not at all linked to age.

Mrs. Jones 1:07:42 Thank goodness,

Mr. Jones 1:07:44

I just wrote, for our next newsletter that’s coming out next week, I just wrote an FAQ about, are we too old to be in the lifestyle? So this one fits right in.

Mrs. Jones 1:07:53 What’s the answer?

Mr. Jones 1:07:54

No, it was a very short article. But I think what I’ve learned is that I assumed, and I still struggle with this a little bit, is, you know, this idea that if you are of a certain generation or age, that I used to just automatically make the assumption that there’s not going to be an interest, there’s not going to be a level of interest just because I’m older or that much older than she is or they are. And we have learned that it’s not about that.

Mrs. Jones 1:08:31 No, it’s not.

Mr. Jones 1:08:32 At all.

Mrs. Jones 1:08:32

You know where my head’s going right now. Back to Desire last November. Remember we were doing – I think it was a morning we were recording our podcasts in the disco. I remember the couple that walked in there, we’re doing a photo shoot. And they walked in to do some photos in the disco. That couple, they’re older than us. And she had on a corset and black heels. She has long blonde hair. She had her hair done up, makeup done. She walked in looking like a rock star. And she was incredibly sexy and incredibly brave. She walked in in front of, what, there were like 30 of us in there, right? Did this photo shoot on this table. Like it was incredible. And I mean, it was amazing. I mean, good for her. The confidence that she had and just her carriage and her posture was incredible. So….

Mr. Jones 1:09:32

Yeah, and this isn’t necessarily just the the older age. It’s also the younger age, you know, you know, sexy at all ages.

Mrs. Jones 1:09:40

Right. I mean, I think a 25 year old would have had trouble walking in front of 30 people in a corset and heels getting her picture taken. You know, so you can own it.

Mr. Jones 1:09:50

Right. This one’s interesting. I never thought we’d have couples as friends. For so long, I had my friends and he had his friends. Now we can say we have our friends.

Mrs. Jones 1:10:04 That’s really cool.

Mr. Jones 1:10:05 Yeah.

Mrs. Jones 1:10:06

See you and I didn’t have that.

Mr. Jones 1:10:07 No, we didn’t.

Mrs. Jones 1:10:08

No, we always pretty much had couple friends. But I do know – I actually have girlfriends who just have girlfriends and their husbands have guy friends. So that’s really cool that that kind of changed that dynamic for them. All right. We never thought our first time would be with a couple we met online who drove 10 plus hours to come stay with us for basically a three day full swap sex fest. Yet here we are. That is amazing.

Mr. Jones 1:10:41

That is amazing. Well, when it’s right, it’s right.

Mrs. Jones 1:10:45

Yeah. Obviously it worked out.

Mr. Jones 1:10:47

Yeah. I never thought we’d start falling in love with each other all over again after more than 40 years.

Mrs. Jones 1:10:54

Oh, I think that’s cool that you read that.

Mr. Jones 1:10:58 That is cool.

Mrs. Jones 1:10:59 I know.

Mr. Jones 1:11:00

That’s amazing. And we hear that over and over.

Mrs. Jones 1:11:02

Yeah. I never thought I’d be so enraptured with my wife enjoying sex and loving it with other men and women. I never thought that we would get to a place of such open communication and expression of our desires.

Mr. Jones 1:11:16

Awesome. Confidence and communication. The lifestyle has led to a huge improvement in both areas. A distant third, though, would be the double blow job.

Mrs. Jones 1:11:28

I guess it’s fitting that you read that one.

Mr. Jones 1:11:32

Yeah. Well, but again, a distant third. Even though that’s tongue in cheek, and it’s funny, you know, the emotional, sentimental piece was the most important and the double blow job was….

Mrs. Jones 1:11:49

Well, right, because when you first think about getting in lifestyle, guys probably think about the double blow job,

Mr. Jones 1:11:56

Right. And if you think about it, like when I’m out golfing with my buddies on our golf trip and they don’t know anything about this. You know, every once in a while I say, you know, it’d be nice to just drop a bomb on these guys and let them know what I did. I wouldn’t say necessarily the first thing out of my mouth would be, oh, well, Mrs. Jones and I have a much better relationship or I’m learning more things about her. No, it would be, guys I’ve had a triple blow job before. So the tendency for guys I think would be to say that. So for the fact that this guy did not, you know, he ended with that, is more important – the position that he put that act in his thought was more important than the act itself.

Mrs. Jones 1:12:42 Right.

Mr. Jones 1:12:43 Right. Okay, last one.

Mrs. Jones 1:12:45

Okay. We never thought that the lifestyle would have taught us better communication skills. We never thought it would improve our relationship to the extent it has. We never thought we’d make such wonderful friends in the lifestyle. The lifestyle has also taught me about my bulbs.

That was a game changer

Mr. Jones 1:13:03

Ok, so you’re gonna have to eplain….

Mrs. Jones 1:13:05

You needed to be part of our ladies book club a couple months ago. We ladies have these things called vestibular bulbs. And they’re part of our whole clitoral network of all the lady parts that need to be stimulated and engorged to for us to fully enjoy sex. So yes, it’s been quite the anatomy lesson too. I would have never learned about the bulbs without reading this book.

Mr. Jones 1:13:32

So the vesticular bulbs….

Mrs. Jones 1:13:34 Vestibular.

Mr. Jones 1:13:35

Oh, sorry, vestibular bulbs are a game changer.

Mrs. Jones 1:13:40

You were supposed to read that chapter in the book.

Mr. Jones 1:13:43 I was?

Mrs. Jones 1:13:43

That’s why I downloaded it to your Kindle.

Mr. Jones 1:13:46

Oh, the one I ignored when we were at the beach.

Mrs. Jones 1:13:48 Yes.

Mr. Jones 1:13:48 Oh, yeah.

Mrs. Jones 1:13:50

Oh, I just called Mr. Jones out in front of everybody.

Mr. Jones 1:13:53 Oops.

Mrs. Jones 1:13:55

Okay, you have homework, babe.

Mr. Jones 1:13:56

Okay, no problem. So after all of that, before we close, let’s wrap this up. So let’s say that, you know, as you consider the lifestyle, if you’re just thinking about getting in or if you’re just beginning your lifestyle journey, don’t try to imagine yourself doing the things that you hear about us doing. Or hear about others doing.

Mrs. Jones 1:14:20

Right. Your journey is your own, and your fantasies are your own, and your goals and objectives are your own. You can’t say, oh, well the Joneses did that, or people in their community did that or somebody on Twitter did that.

Mr. Jones 1:14:37

I heard a podcast where they did that. And I’m not talking about fantasizing. Of course, you can talk about what other people do and fantasize about it. But the point here is that there are no

like objectives when you get into this. There’s not a finish line. There’s not a blueprint that we’ve established or anybody’s established that you have to follow. There’s no diploma for graduating, you know, into this.

Mrs. Jones 1:15:03

You know, if I had to – if somebody said, well, what were your goals and objectives six years ago? And you know, I would have to say ABCDE. First of all, I don’t even know what they were. And secondly, we probably haven’t accomplished them because this has gone nothing like we thought it would.

Mr. Jones 1:15:20 Right.

Mrs. Jones 1:15:21

And it’s gone 100 times better than I could have imagined it would.

Mr. Jones 1:15:25 Right.

Mrs. Jones 1:15:26

You know, I think when you first get it, you think of maybe, maybe you dwell on the pitfalls, or maybe you only focus on the crazy fantasies, and you don’t, like, plan out like the everyday progression of what it could be. You know, you’re either one extreme or the other. You know, you’re either like, woe is me, like, Eeyore, like, the sky is gonna fall and everything’s terrible. Or this is just gonna be crazy shit, and we’ll figure it out as we go. You know, the reality is a middle road. I think the common thread here was communication, and bringing you closer as a couple and having the courage to say things to each other that you never thought you would have the courage to say.

Mr. Jones 1:16:14

You know, I think – I’m guilty sometimes of not listening to you.

Mrs. Jones 1:16:20

What? You know, this is on the internet. It’s out there forever.

Mr. Jones 1:16:24 I know.

Mrs. Jones 1:16:25 You just said that.

Mr. Jones 1:16:27

I mean, during the podcast, like, I have an outline, and I’m following the outline. And when we go back and listen, sometimes I think, oh, man, she said something that was really wise, or that was really insightful. And I was so busy thinking of how much time we’ve taken up that I didn’t respond.

Mrs. Jones 1:16:45

Oh, she used 600 words again to say something that should have taken ten.

Mr. Jones 1:16:49

But I think you just touched on something that I want to draw out, and that is you use the word communication and you were focusing on communication, but then at the end, you slipped in another C word. Which is courage. So, communication, a lot of couples talk. A lot of couples talk to each other.

Mrs. Jones 1:17:09 Or talk at each other?

Mr. Jones 1:17:10

Well, no, I mean, even talk about things deeply with each other. But to have the courage to bring something up, that you’ve never vocalized before with your partner. That’s the type of communication that we’re talking about. So I think it’s the courage that you mentioned, you have to have the courage. You have to know that if I bring this up, I’m being vulnerable. She might get mad at me, I might hurt her feelings. She might, you know, think I don’t love her. You know, all of these things that we are taught in society that we don’t think about. We think about one person. We think about our spouse. We think about, we don’t let them catch us staring at somebody else. We don’t fantasize about other people. Or we don’t admit that. So to have the courage to come out and say, honey, sex with our friend last weekend was freaking amazing. I can say that now, because I know how you’ve already expressed tonight….

Mrs. Jones 1:18:18

Because you know I was spooning with a really hot guy watching you.

Mr. Jones 1:18:21

But I didn’t know that the first time. I didn’t know that the first time. I didn’t know. And that’s why when I said earlier that I never got into this with having to have sex with other women. And you kind of called me out and you said, No, you’ve got to, you got to tell me what you want to get out of this. And so having the courage to do that, whether you’re the male or the female. That’s the kind of communication that we’re talking about. It’s things that you would have never brought up. And I think as we close, the thing that, you know, there is a common thread and you touched on communication, but there’s also the order of events – Before we got into this, my perception is what we would get out of it is sex with other people.

Mrs. Jones 1:19:08

Yeah.

Mr. Jones 1:19:09

Having this conversation tonight about what we never thought we would hear or say or do and then reading all these things, I kind of tied all this together and a few, like, individual growth – we heard that a lot. Friendships.

Mrs. Jones 1:19:26

That was the common thread I think.

Mr. Jones 1:19:28

Friendships we heard a lot. Better communication. Building your relationship. There’s the sex part of it. Closer to the bottom of the list.

Mrs. Jones 1:19:40

Well, but the sex part of it isn’t sex with other people. I think the sex part is sex with each other.

Mr. Jones 1:19:46

Well, it’s sex period. With other people and with yourself.

Mrs. Jones 1:19:50

But I think the – I think the quality of the sex with your partner, it improves because the connection, I think, is deeper and more transparent. Does that make sense to say those two at the same time?

Mr. Jones 1:20:07

Yes. Right. And lastly, there’s a lot of fun.

Mrs. Jones 1:20:11 Yeah.

Mr. Jones 1:20:13

I don’t think when I first thought of you being with somebody else or me being with somebody else, or sharing ourselves with another couple, that fun was at the top of the list, it was almost erotic, or there was jealousy. You know, or there was, you know, sexual feelings, you know, this, the orgasms, there was – the fun part of it, you know, it really didn’t start to be fun until we got beyond all of that. And we started to build the friendships. And then even sex with you and I became more fun and more playful and less serious.

Mrs. Jones 1:20:50

Right, because, you know, the thing I’ve learned is that, like when we first started having sex with other people, and like, even when you and I first got married, and we would have sex I always would be like, in the back of my mind, I’d always be like, how do I look? Like, do I have a

weird look on my face? Like, am I in a weird angle? Like, you know, is like, is my belly hanging down? Or, like, you know, is my butt pointed in the wrong direction? Or, you know, I always thought that I felt awkward when I had sex and now, like, I just remember we met this one couple one time. And before, like, we were like, naked and ready to start playing. And the husband said, there’s something we need to let you know. And you and I were kind of like,

uh-oh, what is this gonna be? And they’re like, we laugh a lot when we have sex. We hope that doesn’t like like, throw you off or anything. And we were like, oh my God, thank goodness. You know, we had so much fun with them. And, you know, it’s just it’s so much fun to have fun with other people. And to like, let yourself go and not care what angle they’re looking at or, like, you know, like, I don’t even know Like, I know I’m a hot mess when I have sex. I make weird noises. My hair’s a mess. Like who even knows and I don’t care, because it feels good.

Mr. Jones 1:22:09

Last, the very last comment here is that you are the only ones where you are now.

Mrs. Jones 1:22:14 Yes.

Mr. Jones 1:22:15

So wherever you are, even if we sound like you, or if other couples sound like you, you each have different tastes, and you have a different idea of what this is. You have a different relationship and you have a different idea of your pace into this. You’re the only person or couple that’s where you are right now.

Mrs. Jones 1:22:33 Exactly.

Mr. Jones 1:22:34

So it’s up to you to craft your own way through this.

Mrs. Jones 1:22:36

And that doesn’t make you worse than somebody else. And it doesn’t make you better than somebody else. It makes you you.

Mr. Jones 1:22:41

Right. and never say never. I think that’s the bottom line.

Mrs. Jones 1:22:46 That’s for sure.

Mr. Jones 1:22:47

All right. Well, when we come back, we have some breaking news.

Mrs. Jones 1:22:51

We have like real snapshots.

Mr. Jones 1:22:52

We have real snapshots. So when we come back, we’ll share one or two with you. [Music.]

Mrs. Jones 1:23:05

All right. Well, welcome back. And I am so excited to bring you a snapshot.

Mr. Jones 1:23:09 You’re excited?

Mrs. Jones 1:23:10

Well, yeah, cuz I was pretty excited during my snapshot.

Mr. Jones 1:23:13

Oh, I don’t know what your snapshot is. Do you want to go first?

Mrs. Jones 1:23:17

It’s from last weekend. This was totally worth an airplane ride in a mask.

Mr. Jones 1:23:22 Okay. Do share.

Mrs. Jones 1:23:25

So we were at our friend’s house last weekend, when they were graciously hosting us, and I think this was the second night. And for whatever reason, we had the hardest time transitioning. Like we’ve known these people for a long time. And we’ve played with them more than once. So I don’t know why. But it was kind of a dumb evening. Well, there was, yeah. You and I had some drama going on that had nothing to do with them. Had to do with business stuff. So we got past that, and I don’t know. We were really struggling to transition and then all of a sudden the next thing I know, we were like, we either need to have sex or go to bed.

Mr. Jones 1:24:03 She said that.

Mrs. Jones 1:24:04

Yeah. And I was like, I’m not going to bed.

Mr. Jones 1:24:07 That got my attention.

Mrs. Jones 1:24:09

Like, we’re here we go. And I stood up. And they had like a sectional sofa thing. And we – and you sat on one piece of it. And he sat on the other piece, and you two were kind of facing each other. I think somehow we managed to get – you know what I’m talking about, right?

Mr. Jones 1:24:26

Well, he made this request.

Mrs. Jones 1:24:28 Oh, did he?

Mr. Jones 1:24:29

Yeah. He said, You know, one thing I’d really like, is a double blowjob.

Mrs. Jones 1:24:29

Okay. So yeah, so you guys, we got you stripped down and she and I had lingerie on. And you guys were like sitting down and your knees were like facing each other. But there was a like a, like two or three feet between your knees. So she and I both kneel down in that open area. And we just, it was like, it was like being at like Baskin Robbins, only there were two flavors and instead of 31 flavors. Like there was his flavor and there was your flavor. And I just kneeled down. And he was to my left, and you were to my right. And she and I just kind of took turns going back and forth. And then we would double up and give him a double blow job. And then we would give you a double blow job. And I don’t know how long we did that. And it just was like back and forth.

Mr. Jones 1:25:22

That’s why we’re better than Baskin Robbins, because we didn’t melt. You didn’t have to be in any hurry.

Mrs. Jones 1:25:27

Well, there was a little drippage. But, yeah, no melting.

Mr. Jones 1:25:30 Yeah.

Mrs. Jones 1:25:31 It was just amazing.

Mr. Jones 1:25:34

Here’s a funny little anecdote. I’m sorry. Were you finished?

Mrs. Jones 1:25:37 Go ahead.

Mr. Jones 1:25:37

Yeah. Well, the night before, I learned a lesson. She went down on me and – for a long time, and I was ready to go. And then I went down on her for a long time and when I was going down on her, I lost a bit of my erection. But, when she said she was ready for me to get a condom, I had to make a snap judgment about whether I was hard enough to get the condom on or not.

And I decided I was. But about halfway into trying to get it on I realized this thing’s not going on. And so I pulled it back off and I said, Would you mind helping me for a minute? So she put me back in her mouth and within just a couple of minutes, I was ready to go again. And then I tried to put the same unrolled condom back on.

Mrs. Jones 1:26:30 Yeah, that was a fail.

Mr. Jones 1:26:30 It didn’t work.

Mrs. Jones 1:26:31

Yeah, I remember that part.

Mr. Jones 1:26:33

I mean, it was still clean, but at that point in time I thought, no, this isn’t gonna work. I gotta get a new one before I find myself in the same situation again. So after all this time working with condoms I learned something new. Once you enroll that bad boy, if you take it off, you need to toss it.

Mrs. Jones 1:26:47 That’s right.

Mr. Jones 1:26:49

They’re rolled up for a reason. But….

Mrs. Jones 1:26:52

Then I found it afterwards, and I’m like, ewww, who left this here? And you’re like, oh, that’s just my – that was my false start.

Mr. Jones 1:27:00

I took the finished one myself. I always clean up.

Mrs. Jones 1:27:03

I know you wouldn’t have done that. But it was still. It was obviously clean, but it was unrolled. So I was like, I don’t think I want to touch it.

Mr. Jones 1:27:09

Yeah, well watching the two of you ladies together, I was glad that he asked for that, not because – I didn’t even expect to get it. It was a bonus when I got the double blowjob too. But I just like watching you two. Because the view that I had….

Mrs. Jones 1:27:13 That was fun.

Mr. Jones 1:27:23

….was awesome. Both of you from behind. Are you kidding me?

Mrs. Jones 1:27:28

I just remember like, because I was kneeling. And so I was like at 90 degrees to each one of you and like he was to my left and you are to my right. And she was straight in front of me. And like, Oh my gosh, like I’m in heaven.

Mr. Jones 1:27:43

So mine involves the two of us when we are at the beach. And we told you all last episode that Mrs. Jones struggled to pull the trigger to go on this vacation.

Mrs. Jones 1:27:53

Oh my gosh, I was so nervous.

Mr. Jones 1:27:54

But once she signed up, she was all in. So anyway, we get down there, the very first night and we didn’t even go out to dinner. We had a late meal in the car when we were still driving. So we had a couple beers or whatever.

Mrs. Jones 1:28:06

I think we gotten out like cheese and crackers. No, we opened a bottle of wine.

Mr. Jones 1:28:09

We had wine, and there’s a balcony. We’re on the 19th floor.

Mrs. Jones 1:28:13 It was a big balcony.

Mr. Jones 1:28:14

Big balcony. There’s chairs out there and….

Mrs. Jones 1:28:16

The balcony was open on two sides. Mr. Jones 1:28:19

Yeah, so you’re afraid of heights normally. And we got undressed on the balcony and I was sitting in the chair.

Mrs. Jones 1:28:27 Well, I had on…

Mr. Jones 1:28:29

Oh, you had on the short shorts.

Mrs. Jones 1:28:30

I had on those Daisy Dukes, denim bunch of nothing shorts, and then like this little crop top that my boobs are falling out of. And our balcony was open on two sides. So like the side of it was open because the back of the building stuck out a little bit, so you could see the beach. And so we were that balcony where the back of the building jetted out, so our neighbors could see us.

Mr. Jones 1:28:52

Well our neighbors were Ma and Pa, Jethro and Elly, I think.

Mrs. Jones 1:28:56

Oh, c’mon babe, that’s wrong. [Laughs] But true.

Mr. Jones 1:29:01

And not young Jethro and Elly. Anyway, we got naked. Yes. You looked awesome.

Mrs. Jones 1:29:12

Well, I realized if I stood from the middle to the right of the balcony, Jethro could see me. But if I stood to the left they could hear us, but they couldn’t see us.

Mr. Jones 1:29:24

So I sat down, and you sat down on top of me with your back towards me. And you had your arm, your hands gripping the handrail of the balcony.

Mrs. Jones 1:29:37 On the 19th floor.

Mr. Jones 1:29:38 On the 19th floor

Mrs. Jones  1:29:39 Which means 190 feet up.

Mr. Jones 1:29:40

Yeah. And as George Costanza said, or no George’s Mom, you used my body like an amusement park. And you were up and down, bouncing up and down, and I’m not sure how many orgasms you had, but after each one you would turn around you, I’m sorry, I’m sorry, but I need to keep going. And after about the third one, I said, Honey, when you have an orgasm, when a man helps you have an orgasm, you never apologize.

Mrs. Jones 1:30:11

You kept saying, don’t say you’re sorry.

Mr. Jones 1:30:13

But you were like leaning – even your head. You were leaning over the railing.

Mrs. Jones 1:30:17

Well, at one point I was standing up. And my arms and my head were hanging over the rail, and I do not like heights. And I remember like, there was the logical part of my brain was trying to get control. And it was trying to say, Excuse me, you shouldn’t be hanging over this railing like this. And what was my mouth saying? I was screaming, fuck me harder. I remember that vividly. And I remember even thinking, Jethro and Elly and the Clampetts can hear me. And I screamed it anyway. Like it was – it was craziness.

Mr. Jones 1:30:54

Yeah. Well, you said that – but anyway, the original point was that we needed that getaway. We had all of that pent up – you had all of that pent up energy. And we made quite a mess of that balcony, but we had a good time.

Mrs. Jones 1:31:12

That wasn’t the only time we did that.

Mr. Jones 1:31:14

I know, I think like three times during the week we did.

Mrs. Jones 1:31:16

I think it was pretty much every other night

Mr. Jones 1:31:18

We used and abused that balcony.

Mrs. Jones 1:31:19

I think we used the balcony after COVID karaoke.

Mr. Jones 1:31:23

We did. We started in the bedroom and I think I pushed you back out onto the balcony.

Mrs. Jones 1:31:27

Yeah, I don’t remember much about that. Thank God, we only had to push an elevator button.

Mr. Jones 1:31:31

Yeah, we drank a lot. So it feels really good to be kind of reengaged, semi engaged with the lifestyle. It’s good to have snapshots again. So thank you all for being patient. And thank you all who have contributed to our snapshots in the past, so. Okay, let’s close. Gosh, we’ve had quite a few people join our community lately. I think that’s another sign that people are re-engaging in the lifestyle. We’ve had quite a few people sign up through us for Double Date Nation and

 Kasidie as well.

Mrs. Jones 1:32:01

Yeah. So continue to do that. There is life after COVID. It’s still a very concerning and scary time. But I think, like we said earlier, I think if we’re intelligent about it, and we’re thoughtful about the way we engage and try to be as responsible as possible, I think that there is life outside of your house. So yeah, please consider joining our community. Our community has been doing a great job of staying connected.

Mr. Jones 1:32:34

We’re still doing bi-weekly meet and greets, virtual meet and greets. We’re still doing the monthly video chat.

Mrs. Jones 1:32:41

Womens group and mens group are still having chats.

Mr. Jones 1:32:44

We had our second men’s group this week and we had 40 guys again, and we talked about single guys in the lifestyle. That was really good conversation.

Mrs. Jones 1:32:53 Interesting.

Mr. Jones 1:32:54

We have the the book club group. There’s a bunch of ladies doing a happy hour group tonight. We have all kinds of splinter groups that have started up, so yeah it’s really active. As far as websites, you know, don’t forget Double Date Nation. Of course we are partnering with Dave and Andi on that and Kasidie and our podcasts are now on SDC as well, and we thank SDC for that. We have a partnership with them. So keep the emails coming. You can reach me at [email protected]

Mrs. Jones 1:33:28

Or me at [email protected]

Mr. Jones 1:33:31

Our website is wegottathing.com.

Mrs. Jones 1:33:37

We’re on twitter @wegottathing.

Mr. Jones 1:33:39

And of course, Mrs. Jones’s cocktails are all over Pinterest.

Mrs. Jones 1:33:45

You know, I actually searched for a recipe, like last month

Mr. Jones 1:33:50 On the web

Mrs. Jones 1:33:52

Yes, on the web. And Pinterest came up, and I clicked on Pinterest and it was my post.

Mr. Jones 1:33:58 It was your recipe.

Mrs. Jones 1:34:00 It was my recipe.

Mr. Jones 1:34:02 Well, good.

Mrs. Jones 1:34:03

I’m like, I guess I could have just gone to my website and grabbed that.

Mr. Jones 1:34:05

Our SEO guy’s doing a good job.

Mrs. Jones 1:34:07 I think so.

Mr. Jones 1:34:09

So thanks for listening. We are Mr. and Mrs. Jones and we got a thing.

Mrs. Jones 1:34:12 What’s your thing?